Wormholes

Yet you still havn't produced a single value point as to why you can't live without it. And it is effortless, having done it myself, I actually do have the first hand experience to say its effortless, if you know what you are doing. Hell Blood Union proves it on a daily basis. But I do understand what this change would do to one-trick-ponies and inactives, but then they don't belong in Wspace regardless. But well, CCP should prolly just introduce Arenas, much like dungeons you would simply queue up for a gank and wait until you get ported. That would definitely cater to the lazy.

But then again, I've lived in Wspace longer than your character has existed, why would I have any idea of what I am talking about.

I do wonder what people did before these websites and data was available. There must simply not have been ANY pvp at all, seeing as it seems to be so hard to live without.

This topic was good before it was arguing.

Just to play devil's advocate - there are a whole slew of initiatives to make wormholes "more dangerous" that is being tossed around at this very moment (which include magic K162s that you wont' be able to scan or probe for x amount of minutes or x amount of mass).

The major complaint that folks have is that things are stagnant and predictable and it's hard to find fights. These tools, happen to be a major part of the problem regarding the current state of wormholes.

I'm not saying that I don't use them or want them to go away, but these incredible intel tools are part of what makes WH life so safe and cozy. Why would CCP invest their resources to provide players with the very tools that make the same players upset that WH life is so boring? I think happy customers are hard to please.

I would argue that these tools should always stay 3rd party. If you wanted to create your own intel tool and not share, it would be your advantage. The fact people share is pretty cool, but not a requirement. Players willing to put in that extra effort should be rewarded with an advantage, whether it's superior intel from a private coded website or an isk donation machine. If CCP institutionalizes these tools, the incentive for competition and innovation goes away quick.

Same logic leads to make scripts, bots, other out of eve programming stuff what bring u advantage. The thing is that my point is to make eve logic people friendly, to have simple interface etcr. Simpler: I want to have advantage in game becouse I'm good player, not cose I'm good in c++ php excel or smth.

Two things to be aware of with regard to wormhole intel for the uninitiated (nullsec people)..

1) CCP let the genie out of the bottle when they published a data dump with all of the wormhole data (signature IDs, masses, statics, etc) in an Inferno update. They removed it afterwards but by then the information was then in the public domain. They really ought to have switched things around by that point but even if they had the basic mechanics would've still been known - i.e. mass limits, etc

2) The information that wormhol.es used as the basis for its principal function (guessing who is resident) wasn't actually based off of any of this information anyway. The entire conceit of it was based off of killmail data - since kills and losses in the same w-space systems are fairly notable as compared to k-space because of the mechanics of how wormholes are accessed. Someone who finds themselves on killboards in the same J-system on a regular basis is either fantastically unlucky in rolling or finding the same hole, or is living there.

There was quite a lot I wanted to do with wormhol.es, and may hopefully do in the future, in particular the data is there in the kills and losses database to work out who peoples allies are, or even their propensity to bait with OOC chars, etc. The nature of aggregated kills in w-space is such that you can make some pretty strong assumptions that you couldn't make in k-space - where people can move caps around easily with cynos, change the place they live and operate out of frequently, etc.

The above all said and done CCP perhaps ought to stop NPC kills being shown in w-space, not because of supporting carebears but simply because they've established a precedent for removing jumps and location agent results indicating that they see the space as unreachable by normal intel channels...

As an update, eleet pasta broski Lucia Denniard (all credit to her) has kindly fixed some aspects of wormhol.es, it's hosted here: Looks it's been fixed to work with zKillboard now and also EVE Census.

http://wh.pasta.gg/J114315

Edit: Lol well maybe not completely fixed, I've already broke it, heh.

Yea, looks like it has some problems with historical data which may be a result of it only being up for a couple, but I couldn't say for sure. Hopefully Lucia can continue to improve and fix it.

Saints be praised! (also Lucia Denniard) .

Class 4/5 residents perhaps, sure. But what you say certainly isn't the case for everyone. That's what eyes are for.