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Space Juden
Supermassive Potato Pancake
#41 - 2014-04-12 18:46:41 UTC
to train skills
Tokclik
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-04-12 19:07:55 UTC
Only fly what you can afford to lose. This is literally the first rule of EVE Online.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#43 - 2014-04-12 19:39:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Sad Trombone.wav

CCP will only reimburse ship losses to due to bugs or problems with the server. If the logs show nothing, OP is shitouttaluck.

As above; if you're not comfortable with losing a certain ship, don't undock in it.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2014-04-12 19:49:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Sibyyl
I recently moved to a place where internet will randomly disconnect several times during a normal EVE session. It got to be a bit of a menace during low/0.0 roams, to the point where I temporarily quit my corp to focus on missions and explo instead. But.. I went back because I like the cooperative play and losing a ship or twenty to disconnects was preferable to the mind numbing solitude of running with an NPC corp.

I enjoy playing EVE, and I suspect you do too. I think you're smart enough to figure out how to replace your ship. These disconnects happen and should be factored in your decision to undock with it (instead of a cheaper alternative). In my case I'm sticking to frigates instead of dessies for pew pew.

/蘭

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Sacu Shi
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#45 - 2014-04-12 20:09:53 UTC
Ill take a donation of stuff, please :)

But jump back in again. Always something to do...
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#46 - 2014-04-12 20:25:07 UTC
have you escalated? CCp wouldn't have programmed the game to warp you out if they didn't want the threat of disconnects to limit gameplay. They do much larger reimbursements all the time. The timer is not to keep you from warping out, its to keep you from disappearing AFTER you have warped out. If you are in PVP and diconnect, your ship warps out but its still in space. For a period of time it can be scanned down and destroyed by players. The NPC rats don't follow you. This is not working as intended. Even though the logs show nothing, they probably do show enough to corroborate your story.
Silvara Nocturn
Nocturn Industries
#47 - 2014-04-12 20:41:43 UTC
i can send you a frig or destroyer to get you back on your feet. Just evemail me. its slightly used but hey gift horse mouth rot or something like that.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2014-04-12 21:15:24 UTC
Why should you log in again?

You can't keep making attention hungry threads on the forums if you don't log in.

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Cpt Swagg
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2014-04-12 21:16:09 UTC
Look at the bright side, in League of Legends you get BANNED if you disconnet.

While in eve you just lose your stuff.
Regan Rotineque
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2014-04-12 22:16:05 UTC
Posting GM communications will get you banned anyways.

I am willing to take your stuff though and ensure it gets distributed to the needy, for a small percentage.
Josef Djugashvilis
#51 - 2014-04-12 22:19:03 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Maximum Entropy wrote:



Yea, I don't understand. The game is designed to warp me out if I get disconnected, but that obviously didn't happen. This is ridiculous.




This is yet another example of someone who didn't take the time to learn how the game works and is now mad at the game because of their own ignorance. Sadlly, this is all too common among the high sec PVE (except incursion runners) crowd because high sec pve (unlike PVP and PVE outside of high sec) doesn't expose players to real EVE game mechanics until a loss like this happens. At least high sec incursions expose players to some amount of danger that requires learning the mechanics.

If you fly a marauder, have your bastion module set to repeat, do not have a cap stable tank AND then you D/C, you will lose your ship unless you are able to log back in very quickly. The very very simple defense to this is a cap stable tank.

I've DC'd several times in my medium deadspace shield boosted Vargur (cap stable). At one point I remained disconnected for 30 minutes and was able to log back in and my ship was still there tanking the rats in Angel Pirate Invasion. 100 mil for a A pithum C type medium shield booster (or a medium or large C type armor repper on an armor tanked ship) is a small investment to save a billion isk ship.

Put the blame where it belongs, on your ignorance, not the game.


Jenn Awhine, as ever, blaming hi-sec folk, for, well stuff...

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Jessica Duranin
Doomheim
#52 - 2014-04-12 22:22:52 UTC
If losing the ship makes you want to quit, then why did you fly such an expensive ship in the first place?
NEVER undock anything you can't afford to lose. Even in highsec.
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#53 - 2014-04-12 22:32:04 UTC
Bastion and disconnect can be bad. It will warp off, I've tested it on the test server, but it can take a while.

If you use bastion, make sure your rep will run long enough to cover it. I set my varg up to perma run and I can tank even AE bonus room with ease. Something like this

[Vargur, Vargur Perma 800]

Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner
Large Micro Jump Drive
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Tracking Computer II

800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
Bastion Module I
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Small Tractor Beam I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Projectile Burst Aerator II


Warrior II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#54 - 2014-04-12 22:41:05 UTC
Sucks man. Sorry to hear about your loss. Last night as I was laying down watching my ship chew threw a battleship from across the room, I thought to myself, "what would I do if I fell asleep? Probably lose my ship. What would happen if I disconnected? Would my ship warp away or would it stand still and eventually die?"

I guess you kind of answered that question for me. But the one still remains, what would I do it if happened to me, not you?
Maximum Entropy
Entropic Principal
#55 - 2014-04-12 23:09:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximum Entropy
Let's just recap the whole scenario.Because a lot of the people who have posted to this thread have brought up issues that, while they might very well be true, I can't prove what happened. And I don't know what CCP's logs show. Maybe they don't show the truth, that I had almost completed clearing the whole room, and only had maybe 5 battleships shooting at me, and maybe 4 that hadn't targetted me yet. I get disconnected, modules go offline, bastion module does, but it's too late.


Ok. Is this thread long for this world? Probably not. All the mods have to do is say it descended into a flame war. They don't like my original post, so instead of just deleted the obvious troll posts, they lock/delete the whole thing because they don't like the original message.


But I've been accused, not only by the trolls, but by CCP itself practically, of just whining about my ship loss because I need to learn to play. The burden of proof is all on my apparently. I can't disprove any accusation. But neither can CCP.


So all I have to do is say, CCP created the bastion module to cause the loss of marauders. They intentionally disconnect players who are using the bastion module, in the hopes that they will lose their ships, and likely buy at least 2 PLEXs to replace their losses. Well that was easy. And it makes total sense from their point of view. Of course they would deny such an accusation. I hope they see how it feels.


When the DC happened, my connection to the router was fine. I didn't lose connection to the Internet. Only the game, had... a hiccup.


Insurance on the ship had expired 4 days prior. I kept forgetting to reup it. When I came back to the game, my plan was to get into a vargur. I bought a tempest (I know, they suck) to do level 4s until I could afford one. I joined the HelpMyMission channel, again, like I had done 2 years prior. I joined some guys for a few 4s. I mentioned I was saving up for a vargur. One of the players said he'd give me a loan of 1 billion isk. All I had to do was pay him back 1 bill, plus 100 million. That was awesome, and very rare in EVE. He didn't specify when he wanted it all back, so I was taking my time (I had to also buy PLEXs for gametime.) I still owe him 500 million, but I'm probably just going to give him the 800 million isk rattlesnake I was able to buy, because of him anyway, because to not get a reimbursement is simply stupid. Yes, I could go grind ISK and buy another one. But would I lose it because of a random disconnect, and it's simply gone? What's the point of grinding if it's just going to disappear? So in the end he's going to get an 800 million isk rattlesnake, plus the 600 mil I've already given him. Because he trusted me. too bad CCP doesn't. You decide how you treat your players, I guess. I don't agree with it.

Why is the total number of "likes received" a poster has inversely proportional to the quality of posts one makes?
Jessica Duranin
Doomheim
#56 - 2014-04-12 23:19:06 UTC
Maximum Entropy wrote:
When the DC happened, my connection to the router was fine. I didn't lose connection to the Internet. Only the game, had... a hiccup.

That's (sadly) normal for EvE. I play several other online games and EvE is the only one where I frequently get disconnects.
Often I have EvE running in the background and it disconnects while the other game keeps running.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#57 - 2014-04-12 23:21:35 UTC
Maximum Entropy wrote:


But I've been accused, not only by the trolls, but by CCP itself practically, of just whining about my ship loss because I need to learn to play. The burden of proof is all on my apparently. I can't disprove any accusation. But neither can CCP.


So all I have to do is say, CCP created the bastion module to cause the loss of marauders. They intentionally disconnect players who are using the bastion module, in the hopes that they will lose their ships, and likely buy at least 2 PLEXs to replace their losses. Well that was easy. And it makes total sense from their point of view. Of course they would deny such an accusation. I hope they see how it feels..


Captain, this thread is holding at paranoia factor 5.2 .

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Maximum Entropy
Entropic Principal
#58 - 2014-04-12 23:24:26 UTC
Jessica Duranin wrote:
Maximum Entropy wrote:
When the DC happened, my connection to the router was fine. I didn't lose connection to the Internet. Only the game, had... a hiccup.

That's (sadly) normal for EvE. I play several other online games and EvE is the only one where I frequently get disconnects.
Often I have EvE running in the background and it disconnects while the other game keeps running.


I can sit in a station for hours and hours and never get disconnected. I go out to do a level 4, and I get DCed and twice now I've lost a Vargur. The first time it was reimbursed, this time they said they see that I was disconnected, and then the ship blew up, but they don't see WHY i disconnected.


Nevermind the fact that if I was actually disconnecting because I was dying, (even though when I lost connection I still had 95% shields) I had a mobile depot and Micro Jump Drive in my cargo hold... why would I disconnect instead of just refitting and jumping out of danger? It's so silly.


Why do anything if it you can just lose anything you buy at any time. Maybe the point of EVE is just to spin those ships.

Why is the total number of "likes received" a poster has inversely proportional to the quality of posts one makes?
Solecist Project
#59 - 2014-04-12 23:24:55 UTC
With that epic name it's a shame you are running missions...

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#60 - 2014-04-12 23:25:48 UTC  |  Edited by: masternerdguy
Solecist Project wrote:
With that epic name it's a shame you are running missions...


You might say, his Vargur is now in a state of maximum entropyCool

Things are only impossible until they are not.