Wormholes

CCP should. tools like womnav, wormholes, dotlan etc. are absolutely necessary for daily wormhole navigation, so in general-good service>happy customers. and im sure this kind of things have the best invest/profit ratio.

I'm willing to help, but I don't know how to code. Do we have a group we can set up to work on it?

Meh, I recall a time when the only WH tool was staticmapper. Of course then we could also see jumps in and out of the system.

This is such bad news. I really hope RL sorts itself out for you, Durzel.

Live safe and hopefully we will see you back in Eve in the future.

Oh wow, wormholers actually have to use their own eyes and scouts now to get intel. OH THE HORROR! CCP should have disabled the NPCs Killed api when they also disabled the jumps in system api.

wormhol.es wasn't even that accurate. We mostly used it to quickly ID the type of WH and what it's static(s) were. Didn't really give any other reliable intel. Null bears always so quick to try and throw rocks when they have none.

RL always trumps EVE buddy, take care and thanks for doing what you did. o7

Dawww how cute.

So Angsty, by your logic, I should also assume that because you are in Broski North (former Black Legion until recently) That you know nothing at all about Wspace? It would kinda go both ways then. I should prolly include my Wspace experience in my signature from now on, seems like the simpleminded nature of some people in this section of EVE-O, tend to use Alliance names to support their arguements. But oh well.

In my opinion, everything should be unknown in Wspace. Kspace has Concord to provide statistics etc, Wspace doesn't.
The whole issue surrounding the Jump API really came to light in the AHARM - RnK conflict, where one side would permanently keep an eye on the home system of the other part to see if they were chain rolling their static, as the activity in Jumps/hr would be spiking, they would then sit ready to instantly close any new connections in their system. It was an out of game source of intel. The same now actually goes of the NPC Killed in system, people base their pvp around the pattern of siterunners without having to actually have eyes on them. Its the same silly way of using information that is not available to you ingame as with the Jump API. Get your own eyes on, do your own leg work, isn't that why Wspace is so exciting?

Wspace should be all about the hands-on experience, everything should be unknown and the rewards you get should be by the effort you and your group puts into it, not by what someone else have already done for you. I used to admire and envy the intel network of former AHARM, holy **** what info they had on Wspace, it took nearly two years in LFARM before i felt that we were close to the same level, but god it felt good for all the effort put into it.

PS. Best wishes to you Durzel.

Not using mechanics that are available to you would be ********, but that doesn't mean the mechanics should be available to you in the first place. Yes I do believe that data not supported by Lore or common sense should only be available through Player Observation, why should you be handed everything on a silver plate? Lack to time in game? So what? Those who put in more effort should always have the advantage over one that puts little to no effort. This is EVE, HTFU.

Wether or not the same should go for Kspace data, thats definitely up for debate. But dismissing lore is a silly notion. Why do you think CCP even bothered with lore if not to make it valid for the game.

For example, wouldnt it be correct to assume that in order to get better Sec status by killing 0.0 NPCs, Concord would have to record the kills made in order to increase your sec status? But in Wspace there is nothing but players themselves to record anything. Lore is great, it gives a game depth.

But you even say it yourself, Wspace should be hard, but then why should you be handed data for free? Sounds like lazyness to me. I've utilized that data as FC for several years in Wspace, doesn't mean I think it should be there. And if I think Wspace would be better off without it, then why shouldnt I complain about it?

Besides, in my opinion, ganking Site runners is not a fight. At most its a calculated gank.

I actually wouldn't have a problem with that being the explanation if that was the official stance on it. I would gladly support lore backed arguements. I would love to debate lore, but that would pull it way off topic as we could keep making up stuff till they lock the thread. But in terms of Wspace, nothing should come free and easy, which is basicly what such data is. When the Jump API was removed this was the explaination.



Isn't that precisely what the NPC Kill API is? It maps population and acitivity.

I genuinely believe that Wspace would be better off without the data. While it might discourage a lazy corp from keeping a wormhole open and sit and wait till 2000 where the inhabitants usually would run their sites, it should still force people to be more active and actually go hunt for targets instead of waiting for that alarm clock to go off.

But I don't mind admitting that I am both a farmer and pvping. My reasoning is the same regardless. Isk is required to pvp.