EVE General Discussion

That you felt it may be a fact, but that doesn't make the problems you or the OP describe facts — it just means you created problems for yourselves through the choices you made.

Those problems were entirely constructed and subjective. If they were “facts”, they would be universal and everyone would have had them, but the fact of the matter is that they haven't. So no, they are your opinion as they are your personal feelings and experiences. You can argue until you're blue that your feelings translate into facts, but they don't — they're just your feelings. Many of them are factually incorrect and just the results of you missing out on various options available to you.


…speaking of which, damn you Akita T. 6 million characters to go.

If people were stick figures, you'd be right. But you're not. It is so simple it is disgusting. Time. It's all about time. Just like my OP says. With an investment of enough time, both in game skills and play-acquired skills, one can do whatever he wants in EVE. I simply have no such ambition. Anyone who attempts to boil it down to losing ships or not having enough money... or any other "tried and true" assumption you guys are accustomed to heaping on people—that person will be wrong. If I am nothing, I am consistent. And it has always been about time. At one point I was willing to put it in (see last couple lines in that post). I am not any longer. As I said in the OP, what EVE offers in return I have now judged to be less than an acceptable trade.

Par for the course.

While your splitting hairs, please feel free to get specific here:

As luck would have it, you can have pretty much the same without investing any time at all yourself.

…and then you ask why people say that the game isn't for you. Fancy that.

…and the question has always been whether you judge those returns correctly, since it seems an awful lot like you only value character advancement in terms of SP.

Again, 68 days. 52 if you're up for a little abuse.

Sorry how am I splitting hairs? And why did you ignore the answer I gave?

The skill point gap gets wider every year.

The tectonic plates of Noob and Veteran grow farther apart every 525600 minutes.

Continuing to allow a linear skill point gain process that is the same rate for veteran and noob alike(which is actually the opposite due to veterans having the best implants in the game which are incredibly expensive for any noob to afford) only makes it harder and harder for a new person to be able to get in.

Veterans already have an established SP advantage. They already have an established economic advantage in both their accrued resources (unless they've somehow managed to lose everything) and their resource generation ability.

They have compounding advantages and it takes a very long time for a new player to get to a point where he can only begin to keep pace, since the option to OUTPACE will NEVER exist.

We don't want to have more, we just want to be able to reach the point where we can being having the same faster.

How long does one have to wait, on average, to be able to make the maximum average of isk an hour?

While you guys were still "coming up", not everything was "figured out". There was still debate going on about the best way of doing things. After 10 years, well the game's been mapped out. How to do what is clearly shown. It's all cookie cutter. Deviating from the norm draws ire. This means that there's an established baseline.

Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.

That saying alone implies that you need to have at least double of what your isk generation ship costs. Now considering your going to be buying a new ship to increase the amount of isk you can make in an hour, that means all the time up to that point where you finally obtain it is going to take an absurdly long time to get.

Like how many of you veterans would fly a Rokh as your PvE L4 ship if you knew it was going to take you 30 hours of PvE to replace each one? None of you. In fact most of you are probably questioning why the **** anyone would even choose to pick that one as the one go use.

Because as a noob you don't have many options.

There's just hardly any options and you have to start somewhere. And where you have to start isn't rewarding.


Seriously it all comes down to isk generation. Without the ability to get yourself isk, you can't get the ships you can use to have fun. You have to have alot of isk to get those fun ships.

If I were to buy 10 "pvp" fit merlins, which I can't even properly fit because of different skill paths, but if I could!!! it would cost me 80 million isk. Now if I'm only able to generate 5 million isk an hour, which is about normal for a months old new player, that's 16 hours of grinding just to get 10 opportunities to practice against people are going to kill you because they already have the veteran advantages of knowledge in combat, better skills to increase their dps and lower their incoming damage, and better skills trained to allow for better, tighter fits to be put on their ships. Mean while, even if you do manage to kill that veteran, considering he is capable of earning himself 60 million isk in an hour, he gets to replace his loss 1/12 the amount of time it takes for you to replace your own loss.

Your local Merlin dealer has enormous windows