EVE General Discussion

You obviously haven't, because you're whining about skill training times, and that there's nothing to do without a large number of SP, despite evidence to the contrary.

NB It took several trials for me to get Eve, I rolled my first not long after it was released, it was horrible. I rolled one every couple of years, because the concept kept dragging me back, until 2009, been playing ever since.

Pray tell, where I have insulted you or offended your sensibilities?

10+ years of Eves success, despite not conforming to the MMO norm says that CCP are doing it right, and I happen to agree with what CCP does.

Where? You're presenting your opinion as fact, something you're constantly accusing others of, hypocrite much?

Because you've failed to offer any facts?

For the record I, personally, have not called you a noob, an idiot or said that you're in need of a sex change, I have merely offered my view on the how and why of you being wrong

The fact that there IS plenty of stuff that you can do with next to zero SP is very much a counter argument, because there is actually plenty of things that you can do. It's your choice not to do them because you seem to be fixated on the SP or gear.

Eve is not about the gear, isk or SP that you have, it's what you do with them, and having FUN while doing it.

its a small corner of the internet , and to be fair, you are pretty hard to ignore.
That bounty was well earned for the "that poor little girl" comment.

Who are you to say what someone can and cannot do?

1000 years ago no one thought someone could grasp an uninvented concept of aerodynamics enough to have invented flying metallic airplanes, yet someone was able to grasp it.

You paint yourself as incredibly small when you make claims such as this.

It leads me to believe that you feel your experience in life is somehow the determining factor, the baseline of what is and isn't possible.

Is the person your insulting's claim impossible? No. Is it even probable? Nah. Does it warrant your insults? No

You don't even know what to say to him anymore?

That doesn't strike me as unplausible. You paint yourself, to me, as someone who doesn't know what to say alot of the time.

Fair enough



I'll periodically continue to try and give you your isks worth through hard-hitting, spin zone free posting.

You're opener thinking it. Like always.

Your posting suggests you are unhappy with a lot of things. I have yet to see you post anything 'good' about the game. As has been said, if you don't want people to think a certain thing, stop posting in that manner.



Then you don't know what a lie is.



i'm sorry, but that idiotic. I posted that you and folks like you seem to not be mentally suited to EVE (which is why you seek to change it). Your posts (including this one) prove that. As you have struggled to play the game (as evidenced by your repeated request for changes to the game to suit you) whereas others of us have not struggled (as evdienced by the fact that we didn't ***** on the forums when we were young), that pretty much supports my assertion.



You don't have to believe it, but i think the game would be better for you if you did. The reason I say this is that once a person realizes that they are the problem instead of some outside thing (like the game itself), they learn to play better and thus have a better time of it. Allowing yourself to believe that "the game is bad and needs changing" when you are a rookie that doesn't know much about the game to begin with is a recipe for failure.

That's why the OP is experiencing so much resistance to his original post.

A smarter player would have realized that EVE isn't like the other MMOs he's used to for good reason and thus he'd need to learn and adapt or quit playing. But he picked option 3: run to the forums and posts a long and incorrect thread about how the game He doesn't really understand is bad. Which he then reinforced by saying "people who like and understand EVE are sellouts to CCP" lol .

One day.. I will convo you and you will agree with me that it is not really about learning ingame skills, rather actual player skills that make the difference in playing EVE. A one week character with a player of 10 years knowledge, will beat you in a 10 year old character without any knowledge.

edit: or rather one week knowledge, lets not be mean here and make it completely unfair.

Then what are you doing here? You don't want help, you don't have a solution, you don't care to learn anything new, and you are not interested in adapting to the game.

"Oh I do, it's oulined on the facts on the OP"

No it isn't.

QFT, in either case.

Yummy.

The point is that the fact that they wait is the problem, not the mechanics that makes them wait. It's a tricky distinction but I can't think of a better way of describing it.

They wait because they think that they can't do anything worth-while until they're finished. Like you say, they think that what's being barred from them is a carrot, or because they see the level-up-ding as the only carrot. The problem is that neither of these perceptions are rooted in an understanding of what reaching that goal actually means.

You should keep running L2 missions, since presumably this is something you enjoy doing if you look at L3s as something interesting. If you don't enjoy them, you won't enjoy L3 missions either because they're the same thing, and in that case, you shouldn't train towards them.

So the alternatives you list aren't really the ones you should be looking at. Instead, it's “should I try something else?” (which requires very little time) or “should I keep doing what I enjoy?” (which requires no time). In the latter case, you may eventually gain access to L3s and can start doing those. Hell, you could even try to be cheeky and try them without the Drake and look at it as a challenge, which is fun exactly because you're “not ready”. In the former case, by the time you've read up on what you're trying to do, your first couple of L1 skills should be done and you can start dabbling in whatever it is you've picked.

It helps you gain the assets needed for that goal. It helps you gain the know-how needed to not fail spectacularly on your first outing. It helps you build a support network that will let you overcome challenges you haven't foreseen. Above all, it helps you decide wether the goal is worth pursuing to begin with.

What I am doing right now... on page thirty of this thread... is enjoying getting peoples' panties in knots. I have no objective at this point. But, as you say, the reason I started the thread is, most certainly, explained in the very last line of the OP. Again, I encourage all participants here to read and understand the OP before they post. This includes you, who are still oblivious to the OP.