EVE General Discussion

Exactly, and it's the strength of this game; to give the possibilities to try anything from the start, even the silliest things
The omnipresence of other players in the universe add danger/uncertainties/funny events, regardless you playing solo or in team, that no script could surpass with our current technology.

Ah here now,
hes finally taking advice from someone and you give him a hard time for it!?

this game is about the players ffs, if the op is willing to learn from others then there's hope for him yet.

Well, "bring more friends" falls quite short of "you can do everything you want in a T1 frigate", doesn't it ...

God why is this thread still alive...

Let me sum it up for everybody

"I'm a drama queen who tried and didn't like the game so I'm going to poo poo it in as grand and dramatic a fashion as I can before I go. That'll show everybody it's the game and not me!"

CAn someone close this thread now?

did tippa eat devine?

You believe I am. Which you're allowed to believe what you want, just like I am. That's the cool thing about this whole existence we have is being allowed to have our own beliefs.

But there's a difference between fact and belief.

You've stated in just this thread that EvE isn't perfect. Which if it were, then fire the Development team and stop producing content. Stop doing balance changes. The game is perfect. But lets not continue on that route, since it's fair to say we both understand it is not perfect.

In your opinion, it is good enough to not warrant changes to the new player experience. Supposedly, you played awhile ago and went through your own personal new player experience. That's cool, I'm glad to see that you've blossomed into a fine content contributing member of the EvE community, congratulations.

Now I am going through the New Player Experience right now. I'm seeing and reporting my observations as they're happening. If the local news wants to know how Hurricane Eden is pounding the hell out of the coast line, they don't call up Fred who experienced a hurricane '92 to ask him how it was then, they go to the location it's happening and film it right then and there.

So while you might have been a good baseline for how the new player experience use to be, your information is outdated due to the passage of time.

Now am I deterred enough by the "new player experience" to stop playing, which is what CCP wishes to avoid? CCP hoping to attract new players and keep them for the long term, resulting in a healthier business model for them to continue providing this service for many years to come?

No. But, by that same token, I understand that my opinion is not the sole defining crux behind whether or not this game can continue to be a "success". I, going through the acts, notice potential disparities and alert the public as a whole with my observations, and not just the observations but also contribute some suggestions to fix it. Because that's what one is suppose to do when commenting on a perceived issue, offer corrective action. The ******* is the guy who says "this sucks I hate it" and says nothing that could have been done to "fix" whatever the problem is.

And this is what I do. I feel that since I am legitimately a new person going through the new person experience in EvE, that my opinion should be highly valuable when it comes to helping define the potential changes to this (what we've agreed upon) imperfect system. Can my suggestions be wrong? Sure, they're just suggestions.

But then you, you sitting in your tower feel that it's your right to claim your opinions about me, someone putting forth effort in hoping to effect an overall positive impact, as fact.

Basically this all boils down to this:

You disagree with an opinion I've had, and because of that one belief I've stated and defended, you feel I shouldn't be allowed to have anymore opinions.

Live and let live? No, not with you. not in EvE. Your way or the highway. Anyone who disagrees with you and has the "audacity" to explain how and why they feel is a criminal that needs to be exiled/banished/executed.

And that's not even a feeling I have towards real criminals. . . . While you impose your belief and attempt to enforce it on your own imagined trespassers of what you feel should be law.

I think this is where the real disconnect is with many of these threads.

Yes, EVE takes a bit of time to get into. It's not the skills that require that time, though, it's the player. (S)he's the one who has to figure out what's fun and what isn't, and where their place is in the overall universe. The skill system actively supports this by letting you try almost anything with a very small investment, and in truth the whole “if you don't enjoy the frigate” logic runs through every part of the game.

If you don't enjoy mining veld in a 1.0 in a Venture, you won't enjoy it in a Rorqual-boosted Hulk fleet. If you don't enjoy spitting out 100-unit batches of AM blaster ammo, you won't enjoy T3 manufacturing. If you don't enjoy L1 missions, you won't enjoy shooting any other red plusses either. In each case, waiting to “try” until you've accumulated the skills to do the high-end version only means you come there unprepared and poised for thorough disappointment. You might get lucky and it turns out to be as fun as you imagined, but if it was, you could have had fun with the lower tiers all that time (and accumulated know-how and assets) instead of waiting.

Waiting is, pretty much universally and in every sense, the worst option to pick.

this post right here.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4460042#post4460042



He's stating his opinion as a fact, when it's impossible for it to be known as a fact. Continuing to do so shows that he, and now you, will argue an opinion as if it were fact, which is a lie.

and lying about something means you're a liar.

Hahahaha you got me! :D

All activities in Eve serve only to fulfill a cycle of act,???, profit, fund acts, repeat.

There is little you can do in this game that is truly useless. As skills do not require a proactive attitude in order to be developed, all you really need to worry about is gathering experience and knowledge by playing as much of the game as possible, in order to figure out exactly what appeals to you; this will not only save you ISK in the long run, by allowing you to cut out skills that don't serve your interests, but will also earn you ISK to spend toward skills you think you need at the moment, plus any materials you need for the activities you are currently involved in.

All players have the option to decrease the amount of time required to train skills, to a small degree, and that is through either purchasing implants, or purchasing characters. Both are very expensive, and can only become affordable through playing the game and earning ISK (or in some cases, LP).

If you are unwilling to play the game then you really have no business being here.