EVE General Discussion

…you mean like I just did? I'm still waiting for you to support your claims, and until you do, you're just continuing your tradition of lying through your teeth.


Good thing, then, that I didn't say that you were wrong. I simply asked you to clarify your assertions. It was your inability to do so that led to the conclusion that you were wrong as usual, but that was at the end of the process, not in the middle of it.

You are, with claims such as “Playing EvE as a new person is like standing in 3 inches of water being told you should enjoy your swim” and “being a new player sucks” and “the "real game" of eve, while interesting in the same way a car accident on the high way is interesting, is still not very compelling”.

Many posters agree with me. Do they also not have a clue? If so, upon what basis do you make this claim? That you agree with those who disagree?

Either a merlin or incursus would be my recommendation.

Merlin is great because it is cheap, tanky, and relatively quick. M typical fit is something like,

3 blasters (neutrons if u can fit)

MSE, web, scram, microwarp

DC, magnetic field stab, micro aux power core.

Not particularly hard to fit, and can be made quite cheaply by substituting meta modules for tech II. Fit some of these, grab 1-3 friends, and you have a decent little gang that can take on other frigs, dessies, and the occasional lonely cruiser.

I probably have over 1 billion of kills in a merlin/incursus in the last month.

Someone yes, I can think of a couple of people that would thrive here though.

I'll take a stab at this one. I come from a fairly standard MMO background. No, I never played WoW, but I've played games with similar mechanics. For those of you that are outraged by the OP, he's not wrong in one sense. For the specific thing that you want to do eventually, the ship you want to fly, the profession you want to excel in, etc. you do have to wait. Yes, there are other things you can do, or you can do the thing you're eventually shooting for, just very poorly, but in the end you are waiting. There is nothing you can do to advance that specific agenda any faster. Don't get upset, I'm not done. Just acknowledge that that part is true. For instance, I am currently training to fly a specific ship. I cannot fly that specific ship at all right now. To fly that ship, I need to wait weeks just to be able to sit in the cockpit. There is very little I can do to make that specific result happen sooner. Yes I know, remaps, etc. etc. Don't get bogged down in the details.

Here's where I think the OP misses the point in all of this though. The connotation is that because I cannot make the ticks faster on that training queue, that nothing I do in game is advancing my agenda. This is where the error lies. The parallel for me is the standard leveling system that exists in most MMOs. Go,do this thing and earn XP. Come back to me and get a new thing to do, go do that and earn XP. And then when you cap, go do this thing over and over to acquire goods or the currency to buy them to make doing that thing easier. The appearance then is that this is all contributing to your overall goal in a very tangible way. I do this many things and I can get to the first stage of where I want to be. I do so many more things and I'll get to the next step.

What the OP needs to do is to shift their paradigm from this mentality and realize that having the skills to do something is not equal to being able to do that thing well. It would be the same as a person in a different MMO being given a max level character with tens or dozens of skills. They wouldn't know what to do with them all. They absolutely could learn, but the whole point of the questing system in most MMOs is to give you an opportunity to learn your class as you go. Each skill or skills is added at appropriately spaced intervals, with enough time in-between for you to master or at least get comfortable with it.

While most people here were talking about all the things that you can do, completely unrelated to the OPs specific agenda, I'm going to say that there are things that can be done, actually that need to be done, before your skill queue finishes that are directly related to your objective. While I don't know what that is, specifically, I can tell you that from day one you can pilot a ship that is similar, albeit far less powerful, than pretty much any ship in the game. Learning to pilot those well is essential to success in the long run. Whether it's PvP or PvE, if you can fly your frigate effectively, you will be much better at flying a battleship. In a game where death means you need to buy back everything you had equipped, that is definitely advancing your agenda.

And then there's the ISK issue. Someone along the lines in here equated it to XP and that's not a bad analogy. The fact is, that you're going to need funds to do whatever that thing is that you're doing. Going out and earning ISK is advancing your specific agenda (and it's also hopefully helping you learn the skills you need in the long run).

TL;DR version: Stop thinking that the skill queue is the only way you directly impact your chosen agenda and realize that you should be doing the thing that you want to eventually do, but in whatever version is appropriate for your "level". This is true for virtually any game. As a level 10 character in another MMO, even though my chosen agenda is end game raiding, I would be doing the things that are appropriate for my level. EvE is no different in this respect.

Well said.

Some people mistake their own impatience for "things should go faster" which leads IMO to threads like this.

It also leads to Raven wrecks in lvl 4 missions because the pilot was 1 month old and thought it was a good idea to try those missions with light missiles in his battleships high slots and a dual tech 1 shield and armor tank lol. Gotta get to that end game asap lol.

Thanks. Couple more questions. If one does not want to "grab 1-3 friends," but would rather fly solo, is this fit still relevant for the activity you described? Also, a what level of skills, per mod, is this fit relevant for a solo pilot (1..3...5?) Muchas Gracias.

This entire thread could be tl;dr'ed with this sentence. IMO

The whole concept of 'end-game' in an MMORPG (games that aren't meant to end) is just ass-backwards. Probably why I love EvE so much: There is no defined end-game. There's no 'Level cap'. There's no 'gear requirements' to be able to participate in X content.

Why does this not surprise me... One... Bit ....

I don't believe in end-game, so you're going to have to put on that thinking cap a little longer to figure out what this thread is about.