EVE General Discussion

But do you have a permit?

Scroll back and read it yourself. I'm not your secretary.

No. Support your claim or STFU.
What is he lying about? Or is it yet another case of you failing to understand the very concept?

I migrated to EVE from another MMO in January, 2014, at the energetic urging of a friend. "It is an awesome MMOG," he promised.

I must admit that, initially, the game appeared to have much to offer. The training missions awarded me with complimentary ships, free skills (that trained in minutes!), engagements with nasty pirates, and you got to fly through space at warp speed! Pretty cool. While zipping around the universe in my shiny Sukuuvestaa Heron, there seemed to be no limit to the adventures that surely awaited me in New Eden. After all, if the new-player content was this rewarding, surely the "real world"—the place where the danger really was—could only offer an even greater experience. My mind was an endless sea of ideas—visions of where I would go, the losses I would suffer, the scumbags I would pop, and the perils I would conquer.

A couple months later, reality has finally settled in, and it isn't pretty. EVE is not the exciting adventure I imagined it would be in those initial hours and days of playing. Quite frankly, it is an utterly maddening experiment in "hurry up and wait." I have concluded—and there is no other conclusion that I can draw outside of cognitive dissonance—that EVE is not a game you play; it is a game you wait to play.

What does that mean? It means that, once you get your noob ships and skills, advancing in the game is not a reflexive process at all. Nothing you do in-game will hasten your acquisition of the skills and ships you need to make your bigger EVE dreams a reality. You are stuck in a truly endless training queue. And there is no superlative in that statement—the training queue is endless. For no sooner do you conquer your first twenty-or-thirty-something-day training marathon, finally getting your hands on that coveted ship that promises to lift you to new heights, than you discover that you can't equip the mods you want for it without enduring an additional multi-week training queue for EACH of them. And after you have endured those as well, you will discover that, even then, your dream eludes you, because you still must endure many more multi-week training queues before you can fit all those mods on your ship anyway. Not enough CPU, not enough Power Grid. More skills needed. More waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. What appeared to be tolerable at the outset (a 20-or-so-day training wait), you discover is more like a 200-day training wait.

At this point, you have discovered EVE's dirty little secret—you don't play EVE to advance toward what you want; you wait for EVE to tell you that you can have what you've wanted since day one. The all-powerful "Requirements" tab is become your brutal and merciless master. And heaven forbid that you should, at any time, change your mind about what you want to be, or what class of ship you want to fly. For you will have to start a great deal of the training marathon over again.

EVE's is an outrageous advancement system. But don't misunderstand my position. The passage of time that precedes the acquisition of something of value—this is not a reality that I necessarily oppose. What I oppose is the idea that a game—any game—should be founded on the principle of play without reward. And make no mistake, aside from whatever reward a given player will ascribe to the game of his own will, EVE, as a game, does not inherently reward players for their play time, except with in-game currency. But, lo and behold, players can buy that with real money! So even that is not necessarily a reward. And money doesn't mean squat in EVE until your master—the "Requirements" tab—tells you that you have something decent to spend it on.

It is stupefying to me that EVE has lasted as long as it has with this advancement system in place. Again, no superlative intended.

If you are an EVE veteran, I salute you. You have done what I cannot—and will not—do; you have endured the perpetual training cycles required to, at last, land you in the place you wanted to be. My time is simply worth more than what EVE offers in exchange.

If you are thinking about joining EVE, consider yourself forewarned.

What Karak is getting at is that Jenna doesn't appear to be one of these people as he keeps resorting to "lol u dumb, me not" as a legitimate response.

If you want to advance more quickly.... Find a way to lie, cheat, and steal enough ISK to buy a combat ready character. The purchase of characters is fully supported by CCP. I know people who have done this and within 6 months of starting the game had 50 million SP characters.

In general though, EVE is for the planner, the schemer, and is intended to be long term investment. It is obviously not for all people and that is probably the reason EVE had an average player age much higher than virtually any other MMO.

Sorry it didn't work out for you.

Also, I should point out that I have many many millions of SP but spend at least 50% of my time in frigates that a new player can fly perfectly inside of 6 months. A massive amount of SP is not needed to effective in EVE, but planning, strategy, and teamwork usually are.

Of course you're lying. Because you're stating as a fact what you cannot possibly know to be true.

…and you still can't support your claim other than make vague references to something you hope (but can't show) exists, making you the only apparent liar around here, twice over. Again.

That's a nice opinion dear, you should probably look up what the definition of one is.

But I do know it to be true. your posts suggest and demonstrate that you are not suited to EVE Online (like the OP). The evidence of this is your own posting: you struggle with things that the rest of us dealt with easily years ago before CCP implemented this overly generous (and misleading) new player experience.

Had you not posted time and again how you have struggled with EVE, i would not then think that you are unsuited. At the end of the day, it should not matter to you what I think. If you want to throw away money on a game you struggle with, that's your right.
I'm simply demonstrating why we believe as we do: it's because by your own admission on this forum you are struggling with EVE's overly generous new player experience when the rest of us sailed through the harsher new player experience of the past.

If something I'm saying to you is unclear, I'd be happy to clear it up for you. But you will 1st need to demonstrate that you can understand what's being said to you, which you have not in the past.