Intergalactic Summit

Why are we judging the matter closed? This is news from outside the Investigation. Positive if taken at face value, but you should all know by now not to do so. Nothing is ever as simple as it seems.

Ishukone.

I am very surprised at this news. Surprised that the senate would even be interested in discussing these matters with Ishukone.
Nothing is finalized yet, results of a CEP investigation have still to be announced. Sounds very promising and welcome news, and congratulations could be in order for Ishukone.

You would think the Gallente citizens living on Caldari Prime and throughout the Federation are not going to be so enamoured, with their senate or goverment if this deal goes through.

Heh, nah, that was mostly me being a smartass. Trust me, I know how reality works, sugar, poison and all. Nothing comes free, even if you can't see the cost right away. Doesn't stop me from poking fun when I can, and wasn't really directed at you specifically, just the line of dialogue in general.

As far as I’m aware Pyre Falcon, as an entity, have declined to make any comment. Unusually, I find myself at the forefront of our presence on this subject. My comments, similar to yours, are my own and I would like to think that I’ve remained magnanimous on the subject throughout and will try to maintain that line. You can of course point to the usual suspects, Kim and Horn, for unfair accusations but it would be unkind to confuse my words or even the message, with theirs.

My position is one of curious spectator. The hubbub caused by the investigation largely came from defensive members of our community, whatever their affiliation. The revelations as regards Arcurio are for Ishukone to negotiate, as you pointed out. Whatever cost they have paid is theirs to pay. I sincerely doubt the board of Ishukone would barter with assets that didn’t belong to them.

All this said, I am unable in good conscious, to ignore that the investigation was called in the first place and remains active. There needs to have been sufficient concern among the board of the CEP for the investigation of Ishukone to be approved. My concern is that people are drawing a line under this without the full picture and declaring moral victory. There do exist costs too high to the remainder of the State that Ishukone could have bartered with. I don’t for a moment expect that they have, mind you, but the possibility remains until quashed by the publication of the results of the investigation.

I’ve said before and will say again; I’m happy to eat my words and offer Ishukone and Mens Reppola the congratulations deserved if I’m proven incorrect. In the meantime, healthy cynicism will hold firm.

It would have put you in the unenviable position of having to bomb a world packed full of your own civilians whilst also leaving the State in a position to inflict reprisals on said population. I don't think the situation was as simple as you think - also I remember the Federal Navy quitting the field in burning disarray at the end of the third battle of Caldari Prime, pursued hotly by capsuleers with their blood up.

In addition I'd have really loved to read the press release where the Federal Government explained that, in order to save the planet from being bombed from orbit, it was necessary to carry out a thorough orbital bombing campaign. Might not have played too well.

Stitcher it is the CEP who have accused Ishukone of allegations of corruption and inappropriate foreign relations, not any capsuleers. For my part i believed these discussions with the Federation were just more mundane talks between the two parties, regarding adminstration of the planet or maybe some trade agreement between themsleves. I admit i was wrong and am surprised, with what has now come to light. Still i think they are wrong to keep the CEP in the dark, over their discussions with the Federation wether they are mundane or not.

As for these accusations by the CEP my gut tells me they are wrong, and that is how it will play out. Maybe they have some basis for their accusations, i dont know and will have to wait for the results of the inquiry.

An apology Stitcher, your smugness only deserves derision, you are far to ungracious to ever deserve an apology from anyone.

Fortunate, then, that the Roden administration recognised this for the political suicide it would have been. To the Federation's credit, they did try the Duvalier administration for those crimes and punished them appropriately. That's a precedent which I'm sure modern presidents and senates will be keen not to re-enact.



Agreeing with an accusation is, for the purposes of this discussion, effectively the same thing as making that accusation. In my view, if a pilot claims the right to echo and agree with a sentiment, they also accept the responsibility to retract and apologise independent of that sentiment's original author.

In any case, the kind of transparency you're calling for isn't how we do things. the State was founded as a voluntary collaboration between the okusaiken, not as a government which dictates their policy, sniffs greedily around their files and punishes the minority for whatever infraction the majority have decided them to be guilty of. Opacity and independence are virtues, and this insistence on trampling all over Ishukone's corporate autonomy every time they do something vaguely mysterious smacks dangerously of Provism.

The megacorporations have every right to keep each other in the dark about what they're doing. Or are we going to suggest that every time Spacelane Patrol pay a capsuleer, the CEP needs to be informed? Does every convoy and new colony require a CEP order voted on, ratified, signed in triplicate, lost, found, lost again and buried in a filing cabinet for three months before finally being unilaterally processed by an intern?

We're not that bureacratic, and about the worst thing that Heth ever did was convince some of our people that meritocracy is synonymous with oversight. Oversight is the death of merit: Oversight is the senior foreman being fired by an idiot in a shiny suit after his team's performance dropped because he started having to waste his mornings reporting to said shiny-suited idiot rather than actually doing his job.

Five, six years of passivity is a hard habit to break, Tuulinen. During that time, KK's actions were Heth's actions, which were then mandated to be the State's actions. While I've no doubt the CEP is more restive now than it was then, I suspect it will be a while until the Practicals and other Liberals start moving and shaking in the way they should.

...you may have a point there.

Still, that's what Ishukone are on Home specifically to do. They can't very well be effective custodians of the homeworld if they aren't going to at least occasionally talk to the other major political force there, surely? Diplomatic contact with the Federation on Home should be routine and a sign that everything's going smoothly. Does that really warrant the Chief Executive Panel's time every time?

Curiosity isn't an excuse for accusations of wrongdoing and treachery, which is how far some commentators went. I'd say it's fair enough to WANT to be in the loop, but a long way from fair enough to resort to naked suspicion and hostility when that loop isn't opened.