These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Ships & Modules

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Drake to tengu, advices needed

Author
Alexander Wellspring
Corporation of Independent Merchants
#1 - 2011-12-01 08:51:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexander Wellspring
Hi capsulers, (warning wall of text incoming)
I have to ask some question, but i should state some point before.
So i'm the worst type of carebear you can find around, as a pretty casual gamer my presence in the game has been discontinued, and basically all i do is marketing and mission running to round my standing. And hell i'm fine with that.
Flying ship bigger then my drake wasn't in my plan at all, i skipped the normal drake>raven>cnr>golem cause is a path too much specialized in mission running for me, and now that i have almost 10 caldary navy standing it's simply not worth (=read: i can do more isk/hour in marketing and camon grinding lvl 4 is so boring).
So now i've the average skill to fly a tengu, but I've boosted my drake to the point that some people can easy call me lunatic. So i'm kinda sheptic to simply change ship.
With the drake i can tank all the lvl 4 mission and i've decent dps, 426 kin damage (374 when omnytank is needed) + 92 thermal from drone (yeah good drone skill too).

and now the noobish question!

My tengu should be cheaper as possible while still beating my drake, the full gank tengu will boost my dps to 649 but lack of drone to handle frigates really warry me, considering i'll use the tengu for high sec exploration and caldari state standing grind (cosmos / lvl 3), not only lvl 4 mission. Will the dps incresing suffice for that or should i use all the rig slot to rigoring the missil launchers?
If yes how should rig my tengu? like 2 rigor rig t2 + 1 flare t2? Geez i dont have idea at how that stuff work i just let my drones handle frigate and cruiser

How much the speed and signature will reduce the damage to tank? And if I cant use ccc rig this mean no cap stable tengu? I've played passive tank for 2 years you cant expect me to pulse my booster xD my carebear heart will hurt. This will meant DED booster are a must in the tengu? like giustum c-b medium or pithi a-type, should i just buy 2+bill of stuff for the tengu to beat my drake in dps AND tank, should i warry to be suicide ganked out of jita too oO?
i mean drop a caldary navi balistic controll for some cap stuff will not be the end of the world, but drop the 6th launcher for a more tankish tengu will drop the dps a lot.

So in the end any advice in what i should do? cause i'm confused. Just one thing, i will never ever use HAM, they are so... i mean... camon!


Sry for the bad english and the overall confusion of the 3d, hopefully some expert tengu's pilot can easly reply at my question.

many thanks in advance

fly safe!

edit: just another little question, how much the 50+ signature radius added by the scourge fury hurt the tank of a tengu?
Mike712
Tenth Plague of Egypt
#2 - 2011-12-01 09:23:42 UTC
You don't need a super expensive dedspace medium or small booster to achieve enough tank and be more or less cap stable while fitting rigor rigs, this is my very popular and cheap tengu loadout.

[Tengu, Tengu - PvE Minimum Spec]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Invulnerability Field II
Explosion Dampening Field II
10MN Afterburner II
Domination Shield Boost Amplifier
Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster

Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

Read more: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/34086-Tengu-PvE-Minimum-Spec.html#ixzz1fGzFwa5W

The CCC can be swapped for a flare rig if you're cap skills or great or if you don't mind being slightly un-cap stable and the BCS can be upgraded to faction if you feel it's worth it(if you upgrade just 2 of them you wont have to use the faction boost amp). Rigs can be upgraded to T2 aswell.

The boosters are 60 mil a pop so not a huge investment.

Hope this helps.

Regards, Mike712 The BattleClinic Team

Cryissa
Caldari Navy Operations
#3 - 2011-12-01 09:37:22 UTC
I wouldn't worry about Frigs or Elite Frigs in your Tengu. The setup above is very close to what I fly and flying a Tengu in Level 4's is easy mode.
Alexander Wellspring
Corporation of Independent Merchants
#4 - 2011-12-01 09:55:52 UTC
cheap yes but, in case i wonna make full use of my rig
the damage to elite frigate would be noticiable between this setup?

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
vs
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Vihura
Vihura Cor
#5 - 2011-12-01 10:51:42 UTC
Alexander Wellspring wrote:
cheap yes but, in case i wonna make full use of my rig
the damage to elite frigate would be noticiable between this setup?

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
vs
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II


One Warhead Rigor II isenough caldari missile with guided missile precision lvl 4 + some 3% implants have abaut 75 explosion radius, only spider drony you will have to hit more then 2-3 time.
Alexander Wellspring
Corporation of Independent Merchants
#6 - 2011-12-01 11:12:38 UTC
Vihura wrote:

One Warhead Rigor II isenough caldari missile with guided missile precision lvl 4 + some 3% implants have abaut 75 explosion radius, only spider drony you will have to hit more then 2-3 time.


I think you are talking about t1 missile, so it's worth using those over the fury?
Captain Nares
O3 Corporation
#7 - 2011-12-01 11:13:32 UTC
[Tengu, New Setup 1]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

10MN Afterburner II
Pithi C-Type Small Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Invulnerability Field II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Add meta lvl where needed.
Alexander Wellspring
Corporation of Independent Merchants
#8 - 2011-12-01 11:57:51 UTC
what about suicide gank, those are a real treath?
Kaanchana
Tax-haven
#9 - 2011-12-01 12:09:30 UTC
Not if you use cheap faction mods.

2 x pith B small boosters are around 110 mil total, 4 x CN bcs are 350 mil +but since u have CN lp, u can get them for half of it.
U can use t2 ab but rep fleet 10mn ab is better.

Use 3% missile hardwirings, cheap and gives good enough boost.

USe t2 rof rig and a rigour and a flare.

You can theoretically reach 850 dps with all 5 skills, scourge fury missile and 5% implants.

You will kill frigs quick enough with CN missiles, but be careful until u r used to the ship. Missions with mercenaries and WC second room will kill u easily enough if u think u are still in a drake..

tl dr: Use faction mods and cheap implants. U won't be ganked for that and it will be awesome dps.
Captain Nares
O3 Corporation
#10 - 2011-12-01 13:31:33 UTC
Alexander Wellspring wrote:
what about suicide gank, those are a real treath?

http://kb.ds-alliance.com/home//kills/victim/Strategic%20Cruiser/
Check. Think Roll