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CCP: Swallow your pride, speed up progression for new players.

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Diamond Zerg
Taking Solo Away.
#1 - 2014-04-11 13:19:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Diamond Zerg
I’m not usually the type to call out gaming companies with my forum posts. This time I’m going to.
CCP is a very successful, clever and virtuous gaming company. But they do make mistakes.

Foremost among their mistakes is the power gap between the brand new player and the seasoned veteran.
There's about 3-4 months where a new player cannot fit a competitive PvP cruiser.
3-4 months, which is nothing compared to the years upon years the vets have had to hone their abilities.
3-4 months, which seems massive to new players.

I cannot overstate how discouraging a wait of this period is to prospective new customers.
They look at the state of the game and think "Wow, four months before I can even be effective? And then lets say I want to stop brawling with my Gallente ship and start kiting, I'll have to wait another two or three months to try that!?"

Now, most of the skill progression in EVE is balanced. CCP have done a wonderful job in letting the average age characters compete with the very old ones. No one wants the training time for a supercapital or titan reduced.

However, the first three months of the new player's game play should be radically overhauled.
Players should start with all the skills needed to fly one race's well fit t1 frigates and cruisers.
From there, they can decide what secondary ships and weapons systems they want to train to become more versatile— or simply go up in size with their primary race.

To the people who claim you can be powerful in PVP within the first three months: have you ever tried solo, duo or trio pvp?
You need T2 guns, T2 tank, T2 drones and decent support skills to be even mildly effective.

The common argument against this is that it devalues the power of veterans.
But when you consider things carefully, 3-4 months is almost nothing to experienced players. In fact many of the skills we want to train take upwards of a month to complete anyway.

No, giving new players this level of starting SP would hardly affect experienced players.
But it would greatly affect new players. Many more people who try EVE for the first time would be retained and become paying customers.
In turn, this makes New Eden a more fun and exciting place for players like myself who have been around for a while.
Hi.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2014-04-11 13:20:17 UTC

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This might help:

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Solecist Project
#3 - 2014-04-11 13:20:24 UTC
lol

crap.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#4 - 2014-04-11 13:23:05 UTC
10 years of continual growth, with the odd hiccup, says that you're wrong.

Newbies have it far easier than they have at any time in the past when it comes to skills, I refer you to learning skills.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Doireen Kaundur
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-04-11 13:24:05 UTC
I dont think "pride" has anything to do with current game mechanics.

That's like asking a card dealer "swallow your pride and let me get an extra card."

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Higgs Foton
Mission And Mining Inc
#6 - 2014-04-11 13:25:28 UTC
Hey, look, its another one of those instant gratification guys.
Victor Andall
#7 - 2014-04-11 13:25:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Victor Andall
CCP I DEMAND YOU GIVE ME AN OFFICER FIT BATTLESHIP ON DAY ONE SO THAT I MIGHT CALL YOUR GAME BROKEN WHEN I LOSE IT HOURS LATER!

I have no problem with the current progression system and I am a few weeks younger than Diamond Zerg.

Ergo my opinion overrules his.

I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?

19.08.2014 - Dinsdale gets slammed by CCP Falcon. Never forget.

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#8 - 2014-04-11 13:26:17 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
10 years of continual growth, with the odd hiccup, says that you're wrong.

Newbies have it far easier than they have at any time in the past when it comes to skills, I refer you to learning skills.


That's the problem with some people. No matter how much you give them, they want more and more and more till there is nothing left.

CCP's mistake was in thinking they could satisfy the insatiable.
Wulfgar WarHammer
Unrustled
#9 - 2014-04-11 13:30:33 UTC
What's up with these threads today, anyways?

On-topic: -1 OP
i-AA
Cream Pie Carpet Munchers
#10 - 2014-04-11 13:32:38 UTC
I stopped reading at: "very successful, virtuous gaming company.."

Most people that play this game sure got the wrong perspective of what a sucessfull gaming company is at a business level.


Calling out 35k (TOONS) - 2/3 are alts, online on average success, is a VERY distorted view of reality.


But no one can help any of you anyways, youre far behind the times (most of you) so just keep going, maybe you'll catch up someday if you try hard.

Related to the thread: I dont agree with OP. I think CCP should stick to the plan as it would be no fair for older players (in this case)
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#11 - 2014-04-11 13:34:02 UTC
Jallukola
#12 - 2014-04-11 13:34:30 UTC
New players get quite the boost already, but then again, what would it matter anymore if new players get acceleration to catch up. Most already have all the necessary skills trained, older players indeed would be unaffected by this, and would allow starting players and alts to get on the level.

True it's not asking for P2W layer, but it would this move result in nothing but an overinflux of alts, instead of new players. I wonder cause an alt doesen't truly contribute to the raw player count, and truly new players are IMO much welcomed, since they add directly to the population pool helping making EVE a tad bit more lively place.

All posts and mails screencapped and time stamped, including out of EVE, you will not reverse on me.

Might come in handy!

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#13 - 2014-04-11 13:35:27 UTC
i-AA wrote:



Calling out 35k (TOONS) - 2/3 are alts, online on average success, is a VERY distorted view of reality.


Which has me wondering, how many players are online in the game YOU made?


Solecist Project
#14 - 2014-04-11 13:35:50 UTC
I wonder how many will fall for this obvious trollthread,
even when I mention that it's an obvious troll thread.

I'd love to write a scientific paper about the mindlessness of people.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Doireen Kaundur
Doomheim
#15 - 2014-04-11 13:36:35 UTC
i-AA wrote:
I stopped reading at: "very successful, virtuous gaming company.."


Actually it's just a way of softening a target up before the attack whether you believe it or not.

It's like when someone says "Brandy, you're a fine girl. What a good wife you would be.....but..."

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#16 - 2014-04-11 13:39:39 UTC
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
i-AA wrote:
I stopped reading at: "very successful, virtuous gaming company.."


Actually it's just a way of softening a target up before the attack whether you believe it or not.

It's like when someone says "Brandy, you're a fine girl. What a good wife you would be.....but..."


My ex-wife is named Brandi (hint, never marry a women who has an 'I' where a 'Y' should be). Therefore you post is invalid.

Lol
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#17 - 2014-04-11 13:39:48 UTC
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
i-AA wrote:
I stopped reading at: "very successful, virtuous gaming company.."


Actually it's just a way of softening a target up before the attack whether you believe it or not.

It's like when someone says "Brandy, you're a fine girl. What a good wife you would be.....but..."

Doireen, you're a fine girl. What a good wife you would be.....but...
Victor Andall
#18 - 2014-04-11 13:44:49 UTC
i-AA wrote:
I stopped reading at: "very successful, virtuous gaming company.."

Most people that play this game sure got the wrong perspective of what a sucessfull gaming company is at a business level.


Calling out 35k (TOONS) - 2/3 are alts, online on average success, is a VERY distorted view of reality.


But no one can help any of you anyways, youre far behind the times (most of you) so just keep going, maybe you'll catch up someday if you try hard.

Related to the thread: I dont agree with OP. I think CCP should stick to the plan as it would be no fair for older players (in this case)


And yet paying subscriber numbers keep growing as they always have. As if it matters if people are multiboxing and running alts.

And your 2/3 of all accounts statistic is completely pulled out of your ass.

And seeing 35-40k players ONLINE at ALL TIMES is a success. People live in different timezones, you know. And people do need to sleep. Multiply that number by twelve two-hour prime-time zones and you get a number close to the total subscribers.

Y U NO POST GOOD

I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?

19.08.2014 - Dinsdale gets slammed by CCP Falcon. Never forget.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#19 - 2014-04-11 13:53:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Victor Andall wrote:
i-AA wrote:
I stopped reading at: "very successful, virtuous gaming company.."

Most people that play this game sure got the wrong perspective of what a sucessfull gaming company is at a business level.


Calling out 35k (TOONS) - 2/3 are alts, online on average success, is a VERY distorted view of reality.


But no one can help any of you anyways, youre far behind the times (most of you) so just keep going, maybe you'll catch up someday if you try hard.

Related to the thread: I dont agree with OP. I think CCP should stick to the plan as it would be no fair for older players (in this case)


And yet paying subscriber numbers keep growing as they always have. As if it matters if people are multiboxing and running alts.

And your 2/3 of all accounts statistic is completely pulled out of your ass.

And seeing 35-40k players ONLINE at ALL TIMES is a success. People live in different timezones, you know. And people do need to sleep. Multiply that number by twelve two-hour prime-time zones and you get a number close to the total subscribers.

Y U NO POST GOOD
Shitposting is an art, i-AA is no artist.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack

Budrick3
Moira.
#20 - 2014-04-11 13:54:02 UTC
You do not have to train perfect skills for everything. You can train to 3 or 4 and consider the meta game.

Specialize in something like one particular cruiser and you will do fine.

Dont be a jack of all trades and master of none.
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