EVE General Discussion

1.) I will stipulate to that. Had he not posted it using his character's name, there would have been nothing more than a bit of outrage at the level of harassment (it is harassment; much of what all we do in this game is just that in form or another), and Ripard would have pointed to it as a bullying problem endemic to the game. No names, no characters involved. It might have gotten some bad press because of it, but other than that nothing would have happened. I'm not going to rehash the same old argument I've made and backed up about why Ero1 was a dumbass for posting it.

2.) Once again, they are saying that if they can prove who it is that did the harassment, they will act. Just because I post a recording of someone saying the most vile things and claim it's Lucas Kell doesn't mean it is: it's easily doctored and CCP knows this. You keep making this excuse that they can't prove anything, and ninety percent of the time you'd be absolutely right on the money! They generally will not act if they can't prove it without a reasonable doubt. Every company is like this (Blizzard Entertainment, Trion, etc.).

3.) I called him a troll, and I said "nine-times-out-of-ten he pops in and posts something that is stupid as hell". If that is harassment to you, I urge you to report my post to CCP and let them decide. Once again, he had posts deleted for trolling and spammin, so it's validated on these forums.

4.) Malcanis disagreed with him. So, why didn't that balance out and stop the ban from happening? Did Ripard actively engage in promoting his work to outside sources? Since when is a member of the CSM not allowed to voice his opinion on non-NDA material? You have to be able to answer that before you can say definitively that he is guilty of the same actions Erotica 1 was banned for.

The same claims were made when Mittens had his little wizard hat moment at FanFest, that CCP overstepped their bounds when they removed him from the CSM and what-not. It was claimed that the people who were most vocal were guilty of cyber-bullying and thus should be punished. CCP didn't listen to that argument then, and I don't think they'll listen to it now because it's a silly argument.

5.) Even if people used it, they'd still bring people to TeamSpeak because the vast majority of players think that CCP can't and won't do anything about third-party sites and applications. Once again, the vast majority of the time they won't because it can't b proven one way or another. This is a rare exception because all the evidence was presented by the accused himself.

6.) In the interest of fairness, I will listen to it. But once again, the reason CCP didn't follow up on it was because there is not enough substantial evidence to validate your claims. Once again, I Don't think the CSM has as much power as many people are claiming Ripard has, and I know many of the people now saying he abused his position previously claimed the same thing. In this case, I don't believe Ripard went out of his way to make this available to others in the media outside of his blog, though I'd have to check with EN24 if it was submitted or not. Even then, I don't think tat counts either because it's EvE-centric in nature.

Watched the video.
Firstly, give me my 30 minutes back.
Secondly, Hahaha, Danalee is a troll because she asks questions in a thread where questions need to be posed.
Thirdly, Non issues? Is that how you call everything you don't understand?
Last but not least, for someone who looks just like he calls my posting you sure talk alot.

Some bits of advice:
Read what people are saying without your bias goggles.
Edit your video, the parts where you stare deep into our soul are creepy as hell. It would also cut the time down from 30 minutes to a couple of seconds.
Try not to spout nonsense about topics you clearly have no understanding of.
Stop tackling the people and start scramming/webbing facts.
I get a freeby, because that's how it works.

I'm not offended by any of your poor attempts at piggybacking on my smarts/good looks but for the love of god, please try and be more subtle next time.
Did you really try and go for your 5 minutes of fame by inviting Ripard for an interview? How's that working out for you?
Anyhow, I'm sure if you count all posts of mine CCP deleted and subtract the ones where I'm replying to your trolling (posts that got deleted first) we'll arrive at a number close or equal to zero, which coincidentally seems to be close to your IQ score

Now, I'd like to address CCP whoever; Please look at this guy's video: He's hurting my feelings, for reals. He crossed the line when he harassed me on these forums, insinuating my mother was a bad person and that I had a serious handicap and now he stalks me further on Youtube for the world to see and he was stupid enough to link it back here. Can he be banned, please? I really dislike him.
If not, I could still be running for CSM on one of my alts, I'll try again when I'm elected.
Oh and while you are banning this anya killjoy/bore whatever character, please check my questions on the topic of the thread.

D.

That's how its always been: harass as much as you want, but don't get caught. It's been that way in almost every MMO, including EvE, since the advent of the MMO genre. In EvE, it's just very narrow in the scope of what gets you banned, since most of it can be ascribed to "I was collecting tears and nothing else", and for the most part CCP ignores it.

Once again, over 90% of the cases where something like this happens are not acted upon, because of the sandbox nature of the game. I'm not going over THE FACTS of the case again, because they've been beaten into you enough.

CCP spoke, period. You can ***** and moan all you want; in the end, the only thing that matters is speaking with your wallet, which most of you will not do. You are addicted to this game as much as Ero1 was.

Honestly, if CCP banned me for calling Danalee that word today, I'd have no problems with it. I unsubbed one of my accounts months ago, and the past month I haven't had much time to devote to the game outside of beta for Elder Scrolls Online, maintaining guides for Diablo III: Reaper of Souls and Path of Exile, and maintaining a guild in Rift. If I'm banned, I'd unsub my final account and go my own way, no harm done honestly. Danalee is the epitome of "You don't have to be intelligent on the forums, you just have to be the loudest to win." It's why he's had how many posts deleted in this thread alone? And I feel it's approriate to tell him to "go back to WoW" like he would to me if I was crying about something. I don't care why he left/was removed from Marmite Collective. I don't care what his opinion is, because he has habitually come in to spam the same stuff that gets deleted, and it's why he's no longer even posting that.

But this isn't about Danalee, and shouldn't be. This is about CCP's decision.

Any decision made by CCP should bring with it some level of discourse. However, as is the habit notice how we are talking, but CCP remains silent on the issue. You knwo what this reminds me of? Almost any other instance in CCP's past where they have a contentious issue, start a thread on it, and then they leave.

It is what happened during Monoclegate and Incarna.

It is what happened during the MIttani episode.

It is what happened during SOMERgate.

It is what has happened and continues to happen in almost any Features and Ideas discussion.

We have all said out piece, and CCP made their decision based on the bottom line. If you cannot abide by it, then affect the bottom line: walk off and take your money with you. Just as they have the right to not take your money, you also have the right to not offer it to them.

I don't doubt that CCP are watching this and considering the well-thought-out posts on both sides of the issue, but those stopped being new a hundred pages ago. At this point, we're all just rambling for the sake of rambling. So, I have said my piece, I have drawn criticism and support, and I will continue to build my community for my games as well as EvE Online. I am grateful for both when I receive it, when it is done properly.

You can feel free to sit here and keep talking until you're blue in the face. I'll be following the people who are happy that CCP did something and go on to other threads.

Spectre out.

No.

Lucas, you have the right to say anything you wish to, but it may have consequences.

Perhaps you would be better off playing another game entirely, (you have been harping on and on with the same thing for pages and pages in this thread now) I doubt if anything you do should you quit Eve Online will cause CCP much concern then, and you will have all the freedom of speech you want.

Oh, can I have your stuff?

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

Am I? What brought you to that conclusion(except the obvious tinfoil hattery). I'm asking because I believe we are entitled to a fair interpretation of the rules by which we must adhere, rather than arbitrary rulings when a CSM throws a wobbly. Regardless of what CCP wants to make the rule, I'm fully happy to comply (and to be honest, there's nearly no chance I'd ever cross the line anyway since I don't even scam), but they do have to state a rule. What they've got here basically amounts to "if you make someone sad and we can tell it was you, we might ban you", which is completely ludicrous. How some people are dumb enough to just accept that and move on, I do not know, but I'll continue to fight for clarity.

Furthermore, they should indicate how far beyond their game this rule reaches, as it completely undermines users rights to free speech if they are enforced by the EULA to act in a certain way outside of their game. Imagine the uproar if Facebook stated that they would now ban people for messages they didn't like appearing on twitter.

It's got nothing to do with quitting. I'm not unhappy with my game experience. I will however fight for what I believe to be right, and some troll saying "you should quit" isn't going to make me back down from what I believe in.

*Snip* Removed reply to an edited out part of the quoted post. ISD Ezwal.

I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

The Rules:
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.

Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.

30. Abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers is prohibited.

CCP operate a zero tolerance policy on abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers. This includes but is not limited to personal attacks, trolling, “outing” of CCP employee or ISD volunteer player identities, and the use of any former player identities when referring to the aforementioned parties.
Our forums are designed to be a place where players and developers can exchange ideas in a polite and friendly manner for the betterment of EVE Online. Players who attack or abuse employees of CCP, or ISD volunteers, will be permanently banned from the EVE Online forums across all their accounts with no recourse, and may also be subject to action against their game accounts.

CCP taking steps to remove a player they considered had gone too far, as a punishment for his behaviour and to protect the good name of their product, is not a 'lynch mob'

Of course if you believe that is was only the blog by Ripard which caused CCP to act, or are simply trolling by repeatedly saying this, then I shall leave you to it.

So there WAS a ticket? You have proof of this I assume?

Screenshots of that ticket please, we need to prove Sokhar was lying about not reporting him