EVE General Discussion

True enough, but then again your not on the forums complaining that the game isn't fun either. I guess if I played the skill queue game I'd be bored too...

I was just making a statement that the OP may have more fun in the game if he interacted with others in it, so he doesn't have to be bored "waiting for skills".

Righty ho:
First fallacy: eve is about skill points.
Second fallacy: you need all at V to do something useful.
Third fallacy: you have to wait for the queue to finish first to get something started.
Fourth fallacy: you can make it solo without knowing what you're doing and low SP.
Fifth fallacy: you though that the main point of EVE is about bad ass flying space ships; it isn't.

I give up with this guy. The moment you challenge him on any of his assertions he parrots "false assumptions" and thinks he's clever. Over half of his responses in the thread boil down to those two words.

He doesn't provide specific examples or evidence for any of his claims. He actively avoids citing specific examples from his own experiences. He wants to state his own point of view, supported with nothing but fluff, and then huff "false assumptions" about.

He might as well be a troll for all intents and purposes.

OP wants to be able to grind for XP. He doesn't care to hear why that doesn't make sense for this game, or have a discussion about it. He just wanted to post his grievance and have us, and CCP, read it.

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Got to page 6 of this thread before i could not take it anymore.
Lets see the point of the OP, is that "i can not do anything I want in bigger more expensive stuff without having to wait for it, but i just train for it and wait to play i can jump right into these ships and have lots of fun doing whatever wheeeee.................."

You are just play wrong. Your entire post and idea is dumb and truly insults those of us who are true eve players and continue to stick by it. Have you heard of the saying "Just because you can fly a ship, doesnt mean you can fly a ship."
I have seen some noobs come into this game recently and kill better aremed more expensive equipped vets in losec battles with their cheaper less dps frigs. How did they do it.....by dying a lot and seeing what works best in a given situation.
That is part and parcel with EvE, as in real life you train skills for x amount of time to get to be able to do something with them but usually even in complex things you get hands on training. In EvE that means going out and exploring and doing things while waiting for the next skill to train up.

Maybe you want to run a corp, and have a POS for that corp.....you need standings in Highsec to do that so better start now to grind for them. Not to mention what is the point of having a corp....mining? industry? mining only? research? you still better have an understanding of those skills or the people that join your corp will laugh at you because they know more than you and ther for can do more than you because they took the time for practical learning while trainig their skills.

As to Reward........please the reward in EvE is not isk, ships, ammo, or whatever you may think it is. The Reward is more simple and subtle...it is What is my Characters' Story? Who and what am I? and is that story worth telling. EvE is so far different than other games....I like it for the most part in its entirety because IMO here the Metagame is more important than the game itself unlike so many others.
And honestly if you can not get a clue fast that this game has a social aspect for it beyond a certain point to truly have fun or sastifaction.....then well you will be one of many that become a bitter player that is horribly ganked and ruined by others. EvE rewards for game play.....what reward are you wanting though? answer that question and you might have fun.

Yes, you have to wait to fly them, but can lose them in an instant.

Why should I be expected to make assumptions about why another player finds enjoyment where I do not? Then again, most of the posters in this thread who have expressed a position contrary to mine have shown no compunction whatever about thrusting their incorrect assumptions on others. Perhaps this is a pre-requisite to being a true EVE player?

How I choose to respond to the game mechanics are my choice. In this you are correct. That I have correctly summarized the pilot-progression mechanics in EVE has been validated by numerous other posters. It is a consolation, at least, that some EVE players have not drunk the kool-aid, but are willing to embrace the bad with the good.

That is dubious. In order for pilot progression be corollary to gameplay, the latter would have to be modified from its current form in some way.

Who said anything about reaching the goal faster? Not I. Not once. That has never been the point. The point has always been the disconnect between what one wants to do with his game time and what the game allows him to do with his game time.

And all this talk of "the journey" is hollow, if not outright backward thinking. I mean, what sense does it make for one's "journey" toward being a black-ops battleship pilot (for example) be inclusive in any way of activities such as mining, scanning/hacking, or day trading? If one wants to mine or hack or trade while he waits for his combat ship skills to trade, so be it. That is his choice. In such a case, he most certainly would be making his journey what he wants.

But don't, for a minute, try to pawn off the idea that such a player would ever choose to spend six months of game time doing those other things, were his "journey" to piloting a black-ops battleship actually determined by his direct investment toward such! He'd never set foot in mining vessel! He'd never see the inside of a trading hub! He'd never, ever, subject himself to the inane hacking mini-game! Ever!

To the OP.

The issue that yourself and other people have when they first playing Eve is they get fixated on a certain ship and believe until they have skills required to that ship they are unable to do anything else.

This is totally wrong.

I would advise you to fit what frig you can with T1 mods and just go out there find a fight.

Yeah you will probably die a ton of times but with each fight you will learn something new and gain experience and as your skills grow not only will you be able to fly more ship with better fits, but you will have gain experienced so when you do start to fly your shiny new ships you wont be losing every 5 seconds.

I can kind of agree OP, I too felt so at first, but since then EVE has grown on to me. I guess it's the nature of the game, works as a perfect counterbalance for my primary games I play, and at times even as a form of therapy.

Finding great people to play with has also helped me to enjoy this game a lot.

It was never a great game. Not even vanilla. It's always been about pretweens, can't halp ya there, Bro. They are too different, was my point. So different it makes it hard to understand EVE coming from elsewhere, some other mmo, it's many clones now. But this may help http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9vEmr6V6c8 see not so different, yet so different. But everyone has already mentioned you miss the point. Argue all you want, doesn't change the actual facts of the game. Liking it or not is one thing, but applying misconceptions, well can be entertaining reading anyway, especially when so many have answered the misconceptions quite accurately. Taste can be relative, but the mechanics of the game are absolute and not as open to personal interpretation as taste is.