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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#141 - 2014-04-10 23:39:53 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Dude, I just looked at your killboard. Some tips:

-No matter how much SP you have, bombers will never win against a dramiel or an incursus.
-It is extremely unlikely for a bomber to be able to take down an omen navy issue, regardless of SP.
-ECM is crap on non-bonused hulls.
-A survey scanner has no place on a PvP ship.

You don't know how to pick an engagement, and your ship fitting could really use some work. Yeah, eve isn't the problem here, you are.



Really, survey scanner on a PvP ship.


WHAHAHHAHA.

Sorry, the slightest amount of respect I had in the OP just vanished.

He is just raging and whining because he is too ignorant to learn from his mistakes and wants CCP to change the game to suit him.

Heads up, no matter how hard they try, CCP cant patch stupidity out of their players.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#142 - 2014-04-10 23:44:10 UTC
Karak Kashada wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Karak Kashada wrote:

I appreciate the added perspective. But I fail to see how this could help me "see farther and clearer than the unimaginative masses" where the utility of EVE's current skills-training mechanism is concerned. It's all pretty cut-and-dry. If a player wants to fly A ship and fit B mods, he will train C skills, which will take D time. And this requires my imagination to appreciate?

Dude, you didn't loose that manticore to the omen navy issue because of SP.

I recently lost two Manticores. And no, I would not attribute their loss to SP. I lost them because I was willing to risk them to gain experience, which I did. I have more Manticores yet to be lost.

Was there a point in you making this thread personal?



I do hope you learned by now how to fit them at least 50% decently.

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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#143 - 2014-04-10 23:44:13 UTC
Karak Kashada wrote:

I recently lost two Manticores. And no, I would not attribute their loss to SP. I lost them because I was willing to risk them to gain experience, which I did. I have more Manticores yet to be lost.

Was there a point in you making this thread personal?

Your personal experience with Eve is the reason for this thread. In understanding your personal experiences, we can understand where you are coming from, and how to fix your real problem.

For instance: The only thing your solo bomber will ever kill in lowsec is a miner without combat drones. In all probability you will never find such a miner. I just saved you a load of trouble and lossmails. You're welcome.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#144 - 2014-04-10 23:46:13 UTC
If you'd like, I could recommend some ships/fits for a quarter of the price of your bomber which might just get you some kills.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#145 - 2014-04-10 23:50:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
…in fact, just to keep going with the tools-vs-usage thought, your entire problem is exactly the same one as you'll come across if you hang around a photo forum for more than six seconds.

Some guy comes along and states that “once I get [completely unnecessary pro-grade body] with [overpriced lens system] and stock up on FancyBrand™ tripods and lights, I'm going to take awesome photos!”, to which the answer is always, no, you'll take awful photos and end up with lots of expensive junk in your cupboard. What you do to make awesome photos is this: go out, right now, and start taking photos. You lack of a high-end camera is not the problem.

The same applies to skills and ships in EVE. You will not get awesome kills once you get [fancy ship] V fitted with T2 equipment. You will end up blapped and with a cupboard full of expensive lossmails. What you do to get awesome kills is this: go out, right now, and start shooting stuff. Your lack of high-end ships and skills is not the problem. Learn how to frame your shots and when to press the trigger, and you'll be surprised what results you can get even with beginner gear.
Karak Kashada
Silver Talon
#146 - 2014-04-10 23:51:27 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Karak Kashada wrote:

I recently lost two Manticores. And no, I would not attribute their loss to SP. I lost them because I was willing to risk them to gain experience, which I did. I have more Manticores yet to be lost.

Was there a point in you making this thread personal?

Your personal experience with Eve is the reason for this thread. In understanding your personal experiences, we can understand where you are coming from, and how to fix your real problem.

For instance: The only thing your solo bomber will ever kill in lowsec is a miner without combat drones. In all probability you will never find such a miner. I just saved you a load of trouble and lossmails. You're welcome.

So now posters are making assumptions about my "personal experience" in EVE. As if they knew thing one about it. Especially considering the amount of preaching that has gone on about each player making of his EVE experience what he will. I guess we just make the argument that best suits our purposes at the time?

At any rate, the number of ships I have lost, where I have lost them, to whom I've lost them, how they were fitted, etc.—these have no bearing on the OP at all. In case you were interested in "listening" to me express my own (heaven forbid), personal thoughts and views, as another recent poster has lectured (something about less talk and more listen).
Karak Kashada
Silver Talon
#147 - 2014-04-10 23:53:07 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
If you'd like, I could recommend some ships/fits for a quarter of the price of your bomber which might just get you some kills.

I thought EVE was about doing what you want, and not being like the mindless masses. Seems like the universe just got a lot smaller than EVE veterans were leading us all to believe.
Chirjo Durruti
Doomheim
#148 - 2014-04-10 23:53:45 UTC
Sorry, OP, but I don't really get what you're talking about.

Started a new character a few weeks back. With no ISK infusion from my other characters i directly jumped into faction warfare on about day 3. Just to see if it can be done. Sure, as I fly solo for the moment I'm mostly on the run while plexing. But there's also a skill in this that can only be learned by yourself and neither bought nor put into your skill queue: judging an engagement by the information you can gather (dscan, local, etc.) and deciding on fight or flight. And sitting in a cheaply fitted T1 frigate that you can't replace right away if it's lost in a plex in low sec doesn't feel like waiting at all, trust me Pirate

HOWTO: No More Tears (solo) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdA4ciUrH-k If you can get me a better crew than THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPrtQ9AdoM0 convo me.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#149 - 2014-04-10 23:55:41 UTC
Karak Kashada wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
If you'd like, I could recommend some ships/fits for a quarter of the price of your bomber which might just get you some kills.

I thought EVE was about doing what you want, and not being like the mindless masses. Seems like the universe just got a lot smaller than EVE veterans were leading us all to believe.


You can always throw off the shackles of the unimaginative masses like the Phoenix pilot who soloed cyno ships.Big smile

Maybe the reason that those fits are common is because they actually work? Besides, no fit is idiot proof and you need in-game practical experience to use them well. I've seen people confused as to what to do with an Alpha Mael in an Alphafleet.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Karak Kashada
Silver Talon
#150 - 2014-04-10 23:56:32 UTC
Tippia wrote:
…in fact, just to keep going with the tools-vs-usage thought, your entire problem is exactly the same one as you'll come across if you hang around a photo forum for more than six seconds.

Some guy comes along and states that “once I get [completely unnecessary pro-grade body] with [overpriced lens system] and stock up on FancyBrand™ tripods and lights, I'm going to take awesome photos!”, to which the answer is always, no, you'll take awful photos and end up with lots of expensive junk in your cupboard. What you do to make awesome photos is this: go out, right now, and start taking photos. You lack of a high-end camera is not the problem.

The same applies to skills and ships in EVE. You will not get awesome kills once you get [fancy ship] V fitted with T2 equipment. You will end up blapped and with a cupboard full of expensive lossmails. What you do to get awesome kills is this: go out, right now, and start shooting stuff. Your lack of high-end ships and skills is not the problem. Learn how to frame your shots and when to press the trigger, and you'll be surprised what results you can get even with beginner gear.

Since I am a photographer, I relish dismissing both of your positions as not applicable to me. But you just keep applying assumptions. Self-assumed wisdom can be called wisdom, after all.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#151 - 2014-04-10 23:56:35 UTC
I presume this has been mentioned before ... but ... ---> Character Bazaar
Karak Kashada
Silver Talon
#152 - 2014-04-10 23:57:22 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Karak Kashada wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
If you'd like, I could recommend some ships/fits for a quarter of the price of your bomber which might just get you some kills.

I thought EVE was about doing what you want, and not being like the mindless masses. Seems like the universe just got a lot smaller than EVE veterans were leading us all to believe.


You can always throw off the shackles of the unimaginative masses like the Phoenix pilot who soloed cyno ships.Big smile

Maybe the reason that those fits are common is because they actually work? Besides, no fit is idiot proof and you need in-game practical experience to use them well. I've seen people confused as to what to do with an Alpha Mael in an Alphafleet.

That's all dandy, but off-topic.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#153 - 2014-04-10 23:59:13 UTC
Karak Kashada wrote:

Since I am a photographer, I relish dismissing both of your positions as not applicable to me. But you just keep applying assumptions. Self-assumed wisdom can be called wisdom, after all.


Why do you so quickly brush off perfectly sound advice?

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#154 - 2014-04-10 23:59:14 UTC
Karak Kashada wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
If you'd like, I could recommend some ships/fits for a quarter of the price of your bomber which might just get you some kills.

I thought EVE was about doing what you want, and not being like the mindless masses. Seems like the universe just got a lot smaller than EVE veterans were leading us all to believe.


While you can try whatever you want, you are not guaranteed to succeed at whatever you try.

To expect such is quite simply childish.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Karak Kashada
Silver Talon
#155 - 2014-04-10 23:59:31 UTC
Chirjo Durruti wrote:
Sorry, OP, but I don't really get what you're talking about.
Then how can your reply be useful? (a legitimate question, no intent to offend)

Chirjo Durruti wrote:
Started a new character a few weeks back. With no ISK infusion from my other characters i directly jumped into faction warfare on about day 3. Just to see if it can be done. Sure, as I fly solo for the moment I'm mostly on the run while plexing. But there's also a skill in this that can only be learned by yourself and neither bought nor put into your skill queue: judging an engagement by the information you can gather (dscan, local, etc.) and deciding on fight or flight. And sitting in a cheaply fitted T1 frigate that you can't replace right away if it's lost in a plex in low sec doesn't feel like waiting at all, trust me Pirate
I'm afraid I cannot see how this applies to the OP. The OP is not about losing ships or judging engagements. You might need to re-read it.
Jim Era
#156 - 2014-04-11 00:00:39 UTC
Wait people actually play EVE?

Also, skillpoints are everything in this game.
Can't player properly til you get max level.

Wat™
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#157 - 2014-04-11 00:00:49 UTC
Karak Kashada wrote:

I thought EVE was about doing what you want, and not being like the mindless masses. Seems like the universe just got a lot smaller than EVE veterans were leading us all to believe.

You can stick a ten ton trailer to a toyota carolla, if that's what you want. Doesn't mean you'll get anywhere with it.

A man can write the most beautiful sonnet the world has ever heard. But before he does, he needs to learn his alphabet. Then, he needs to learn some vocabulary and at least the basics of syntax.

People do new and original things in eve every day. But to succeed, they generally need a firm grasp of the basics. You don't have that yet. We're trying to help you with that.
Karak Kashada
Silver Talon
#158 - 2014-04-11 00:01:31 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Karak Kashada wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
If you'd like, I could recommend some ships/fits for a quarter of the price of your bomber which might just get you some kills.

I thought EVE was about doing what you want, and not being like the mindless masses. Seems like the universe just got a lot smaller than EVE veterans were leading us all to believe.


While you can try whatever you want, you are not guaranteed to succeed at whatever you try.
Indeed. Nor are you guaranteed to fail. I seem to recall someone posting something about being more imaginative that the masses... one minute it's good, the next it's bad. Crazy, eh?

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
To expect such is quite simply childish.

I agree.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#159 - 2014-04-11 00:02:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Karak Kashada wrote:
Since I am a photographer, I relish dismissing both of your positions as not applicable to me. But you just keep applying assumptions. Self-assumed wisdom can be called wisdom, after all.

You can relish doing it, but you can't actually do it…
They're not assumptions, and if you're really a photographer, you will understand the inherent error in the way of thinking.

Now you just have to realise that the problem you're perceiving with the EVE skill system is based on the exact same kind of error. Your actual problem is that you've confused the tools with the process. The former is not the reward for the time you put in, the latter is. Having to wait is not a problem for the simple reason that you don't have to wait.

Quote:
'm afraid I cannot see how this applies to the OP. The OP is not about losing ships or judging engagements. You might need to re-read it.
It applies to the OP because not losing ships and being able to judge engagement is how you as a player are rewarded for the time you put in. It's what keeps you from having to wait 200 days to do what you want to do.
Karak Kashada
Silver Talon
#160 - 2014-04-11 00:03:32 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Karak Kashada wrote:

I thought EVE was about doing what you want, and not being like the mindless masses. Seems like the universe just got a lot smaller than EVE veterans were leading us all to believe.

You can stick a ten ton trailer to a toyota carolla, if that's what you want. Doesn't mean you'll get anywhere with it.

A man can write the most beautiful sonnet the world has ever heard. But before he does, he needs to learn his alphabet. Then, he needs to learn some vocabulary and at least the basics of syntax.

People do new and original things in eve every day. But to succeed, they generally need a firm grasp of the basics. You don't have that yet. We're trying to help you with that.


I would brand about 1% of what has been directly said to me—by those opposed to my position— as "help." The odd thing is... I don't recall asking for help. I don't recall being dissatisfied with my performance in the game. I really don't know how these things became the focus (among many other off-topic issues).