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So, Incursion Runners...
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#121 - 2014-04-10 22:07:28 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
Fearless M0F0 wrote:
Never cared about the isk, in fact i could make the same isk/hr right now running incursion as I did before the great nerf. But the nerf killed blitz fleets and those were awesome fun to run. Twisted

+1 Miss the DDD days of quick moving fleets, 90 second contest, get paid or go home not to mention the friends, 12 on coms vs. the anonymity of 40+ on coms. Yeah very good days

What, exactly, is keeping you from doing them today?
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#122 - 2014-04-10 22:07:53 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
Fearless M0F0 wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
doubt anybody really misses any of you greedy whiners.


Never cared about the isk, in fact i could make the same isk/hr right now running incursion as I did before the great nerf. But the nerf killed blitz fleets and those were awesome fun to run. Twisted

+1 Miss the DDD days of quick moving fleets, 90 second contest, get paid or go home not to mention the friends, 12 on coms vs. the anonymity of 40+ on coms. Yeah very good days


My old crew is done. The leader now is in is channel, as well as 8 or 9 others. But we barely talk, and he now runs Dust chars. We died as a group with the double nerf of the Paladin ruination and the horrible changes to BS acceleration and deceleration.

We all knew how to run sites so well that we talked about anything but the sites that we ran.
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#123 - 2014-04-10 22:21:44 UTC
Tippia wrote:

What, exactly, is keeping you from doing them today?

Primarily? The contest these days sends the loser to the MOM and ends the Incursion. Just takes the wind out of you when you move 3 toons and billions of ISK in assets 20j's to run for 40 minutes and do it again.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
S'No Flake
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#124 - 2014-04-11 11:39:47 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
Tippia wrote:

What, exactly, is keeping you from doing them today?

Primarily? The contest these days sends the loser to the MOM and ends the Incursion. Just takes the wind out of you when you move 3 toons and billions of ISK in assets 20j's to run for 40 minutes and do it again.


Well, you can still make more than the 60mil isk the looser makes while popping the mom.
And if you are fast, you can contest the mom too and they get nothing at all :P

Great way to **** off ze germans :P
Jallukola
#125 - 2014-04-11 13:41:41 UTC
Where does this overflowing hate for incursions and the runners, or the income from them, stem from?

If it's about "too easy ISK", which I would understand, wouldn't salvaging PVP wrecks fall under same category. After all, that Noctis hanging out off the grid doesen't really work for the ISK.

All posts and mails screencapped and time stamped, including out of EVE, you will not reverse on me.

Might come in handy!
S'No Flake
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#126 - 2014-04-11 13:48:31 UTC
Jallukola wrote:
Where does this overflowing hate for incursions and the runners, or the income from them, stem from?

If it's about "too easy ISK", which I would understand, wouldn't salvaging PVP wrecks fall under same category. After all, that Noctis hanging out off the grid doesen't really work for the ISK.


If you do lvl4 FW missions in a SB in LS, you can make much much more ISK compared with HS incursions.
Hell, even offensive plexing in a sentinel/kitsune (just too scare off the solo players) will make you a lot of ISK for less work than HS incursions :)

It's probably because of "too much ISK in HS" not really the "too much ISK"
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#127 - 2014-04-11 14:27:21 UTC
Jallukola wrote:
Where does this overflowing hate for incursions and the runners, or the income from them, stem from?

If it's about "too easy ISK", which I would understand, wouldn't salvaging PVP wrecks fall under same category. After all, that Noctis hanging out off the grid doesen't really work for the ISK.


It's not hate. I could hardly hate high sec incursion runners because last night I spend 20 minutes watching my other screen where my high sec incursion alt was waiting for an invite to the TVP HQ fleet (JUST IN TIME FOR IT TO STAND DOWN lol).

Rather it is honesty. The honesty of watching a wildly unbalanced thing happen that (even though you are partaking in it because it exists) and knowing that should not be happening that way.

It's the same way in faction warfare ,I have 2 alts in the Minni Militia aka 'Farmmatar' that can fly purifiers and that make more isk for very little risk/loss than anything else pve related than I've ever done in EVE. It needs to be nerfed into the ground but as long as it exists I'm going to use it to fuel my 4 accounts.
S'No Flake
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#128 - 2014-04-11 15:48:38 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Jallukola wrote:
Where does this overflowing hate for incursions and the runners, or the income from them, stem from?

If it's about "too easy ISK", which I would understand, wouldn't salvaging PVP wrecks fall under same category. After all, that Noctis hanging out off the grid doesen't really work for the ISK.


It's not hate. I could hardly hate high sec incursion runners because last night I spend 20 minutes watching my other screen where my high sec incursion alt was waiting for an invite to the TVP HQ fleet (JUST IN TIME FOR IT TO STAND DOWN lol).

...



WTM runs 23/7.
I don't think they ever stand down :)
Indeed, less ISK because it's not a shini fleet as ISN / TVP but, when i run incursions i prefer them because you can get faster into fleets.

Yes, you've read that right ... Sometimes (friday, weekends) they have 2 fleets running :)
Jallukola
#129 - 2014-04-11 16:06:47 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

Rather it is honesty. The honesty of watching a wildly unbalanced thing happen that (even though you are partaking in it because it exists) and knowing that should not be happening that way.

It's the same way in faction warfare ,I have 2 alts in the Minni Militia aka 'Farmmatar' that can fly purifiers and that make more isk for very little risk/loss than anything else pve related than I've ever done in EVE. It needs to be nerfed into the ground but as long as it exists I'm going to use it to fuel my 4 accounts.




Interesting approach. By all means, I'm not judging, I am after all terrible making money at this game, but I do sense slight bitterness in your words, maybe I'm mistaken though.

I can understand if this simply is about too fat rims on the pocketbook, but so far I've yet to notice it impacting the economy that much. Not sure does it have something to do with the ridiculous PLEX economy though.

All posts and mails screencapped and time stamped, including out of EVE, you will not reverse on me.

Might come in handy!
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#130 - 2014-04-11 16:16:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Jallukola wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

Rather it is honesty. The honesty of watching a wildly unbalanced thing happen that (even though you are partaking in it because it exists) and knowing that should not be happening that way.

It's the same way in faction warfare ,I have 2 alts in the Minni Militia aka 'Farmmatar' that can fly purifiers and that make more isk for very little risk/loss than anything else pve related than I've ever done in EVE. It needs to be nerfed into the ground but as long as it exists I'm going to use it to fuel my 4 accounts.




Interesting approach. By all means, I'm not judging, I am after all terrible making money at this game, but I do sense slight bitterness in your words, maybe I'm mistaken though.

I can understand if this simply is about too fat rims on the pocketbook, but so far I've yet to notice it impacting the economy that much. Not sure does it have something to do with the ridiculous PLEX economy though.


You are mistaken. my interest is in a quality game, not personal gain of some sort. I've heard people say "why are you jealous of other people making isk", which is dumb because I'm not jealous of people's real life money so why would I care about their space money lol.

It's an issue of what's right for a game liek this and whats wrong.

The original risk/reward scheme (ie "the further from safety you go, the better the in game rewards should be) have gotten way way off track.

So the person doing (for example) a Blood Raider Naval Shipyard (DED 10/10) with 3 friends in battleships remote repping each other in null security space is making less in terms of rewards than the guy in a warp core stabbed tech1 frigate in faction warfare, that's a game design problem that should be fixed.

And till it gets fixed i'll be the guy in the stabbed frig orbiting the button for LP and waiting for at least their 4 lol.