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I don't think this is true. What matters most here is intent.

What is Erotica 1's intent? That one victim doesn't consider his behavior sadistic does not lessen the intent of the aggressor. As an example, a murderer kills 10 people in exactly the same way. One victim was already suicidal and didn't mind being killed. Does this mean the killer only committed 9 murders?

Also, this wasn't the first time that he had done this. And if I was a betting man I'd bet he had been warned before about crossing the line. I found out about this last incident through Ripard Teg. So as much as a few of you have been hating on him, I'm actually impressed he had the balls to stand up and expose this to light. Mind you, I had no idea who he was before this.

DISCLAIMER FOR THE TARDS: No, I am not in ANY WAY insinuating Erotica 1 is a murderer. I will ignore any post accusing me of such claims.

Ever decreasing circles...

http://eatingoffthepeoplesprincess.tumblr.com/

It's like you only read or listen to something for the sole purpose of completely misunderstanding the most basic things every freaking thing being said.

That takes some talent.

Mr Epeen

OK, so the quote in this post directly above this line. When you state that his opinions is irrelevant that's the same damn thing.

Why was it nonsense when it was posted all those times before? I'm not stating that there was nothing wrong, though from my point of view there was nothing I would consider harassment. But more to the point I have hear FAR FAR worse things that were then ignored by CCP. Not to mention that this EXACT thing has been going on for at least a year. They reacted due to publicity, yes. Pretty much voids their whole HTFU video idea.

I'm not stating that, but I certainly think in context it's not harassment. That recording standing alone shows far worse behaviour on the part of sohkar than Erotica 1. Or do you think racism is OK?

Stop purpoosely being a ******. CCP have not stated where or how far their rules are being enforced. Do you not see that there is a clear difference between what person A thinks is harassment and person B? So who is right? CCP have a duty to draw the line. Oh wait, I forgot, we're all supposed to know exactly where too far is, despite cultural, linguistic and age barriers right?

And back to the FOTM "waaah, it's a strawman". Not, it's a perfectly reasonable argument. You disagree, and that's fine, but that doesn't make what is being said irrelevant. I get it though, you hate scammers since you've probably had some super sad from them at some point and this is your way of standing up to them. So **** the sandbox because Loco doesn't like it people.

This is you saying "Screw the sandbox I want fences."
Since is neigh impossible to draw a line on this type of thing, and you know it(you even said why) I prefer it not to be drawn. I want the game as it is and I want CCP to use their discretionary powers to route out the sociopaths that play this for the wrong reasons and are causing unnecessary distress. And I'm smarter then your Erotica because at first "ni**er" I would have said " Sorry buddy, you lost", would have closed the coms and kept my account.



I call it as I see it buddy. Cropping five words out of a sentence and claiming they lost context is not the same as calling the recording of an entire event as out of context. And it doesn't matter if you believe me or not, my only time I got scammed was through a contract I failed to read because I was tired and stupid. I didn't file a ticket i just face palmed and said to myself "Go to sleep stupid". Did put the scammer in my -10 sh** list hoping that at same point I'll violent him a bit though. Stop trying to bait me with this childish tactics. I like the sandbox very much and my wallet is proof of that but guess why the sand is in a box and not on the frikkin' floor? So stupid people don't spread the sand too thin.

Thank you for slapping me out of it.

Hey, weren't you the one being disappointed in people leaving the argument ?

1.) The reason Ero1 was banned was because he gloated over it. Tear-extraction might be commonplace in the game, but it remains in the game. Ero1 decided to take the extraction to TeamSpeak and record it for later, and then published it to the forums. Try as you might to say that he was banned for not hiding it, he was actually banned for continuing it, even if Sohkar says it wasn't harassment. Look at the players in this game: very few will actually say "oh, I was harassed". It rarely happens because of our mentality. Any normal and sane person would look at that and say it's harassment. Once someone has hit the point where they are threatening violence against you, you've hit their breaking point. At that point, conitnuing is not extracting tears, it is simply continuing to be a prick.

Note: I believe that at this point Sohkar is beginning to realize he is being scammed, and should have left. He didn't, and so there he is partially responsible.

2.) I stated that CCP has the right to react to any publicity on third-party sites, including forums and gave Battleclinic and FHC as examples. I never stated CCP owned them, and I never attributed a quote to CCP as saying they owned them. CCP owns your account. They always have and they always will. If you use that ccount to cause problems for the company, and they can validate it was your account, they have the right to suspend you, or ban you outright. That was my point, and you know that.

3.) The person I mentioned has had multiple posts deleted in this thread alone, and has widely been viewed as a troll. He even stated that he was trolling in a post that was deleted. That is not a "personal attack", that is using what he said to illustrate a point. If CCP views taking what someone said and using it to illustrate a point--and using it in context--as a personal attack, then they can feel free to suspend or ban me. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

4.) There has been a very vocal portion of the Ero1 defenders who have stated that they want Ripard Teg banned. Constantly asking if anything is changed when it comes to the CSM is pretty much asking at what level they are held, and they another attempt to rules lawyer to have him banned for "bullying" Ero1.

Note: The people saying that Ripard Teg is guilty of bullying because his blog post was picked up by other publications are being intentionally obtuse. No one knows if Ripard made Massively aware of the posting; he's a well-known blogger, and so to claim that he should have known that it would be also falls flat on its face. I have had multiple stories published in which I use sources such as blog postings that are brought to my attention by third parties, and in fact I'd remind you the orinal threadnaught was not started by Ripard Teg, but by another person. Saying that because Massively, or MMO-Champion published his posting he is guilty of bullying when he was no the one to post anything to them is so far out of left field it should not be considered worthy of any more time.

5.) If he wasn't intending to harass SOhkar, then why did he do it over Teamspeak instead of the EvE Voice server? More importantly, wy did he feel the need to even post the recording to the forums?

6.) These anecdotes you bring up, I'd like recordings to because I'd most certainly do commentary on them, and I'm sure Ripard would be just as upset over them. If you aren't willing to do that, then feel free to not mention it again. More to the point, if it bothers you that much why not bring it to CCP's attention?

Whether or not someone has said or heard worse does not absolve Ero1 of what he did. That's basic legal precedent. More to the point--and I hate to Godwin this--just becuse Hitler killed at a minimum 10-million civilians does not absolve Stalin of his murder of civilians.

Are you now claiming that Ero1 didn't pick Sohkar out in-game in order to scam him, and that he did not post it to CCP's forums at the end of it?

Of course not. My point was to highlight the problems of picking only a single source and basing all of your judgement off of that. Obviously in game things happened before, during and after, but Loko want to ignore all that as supposedly what happened, and what the victim thinks is irrelevant.