EVE General Discussion

Though my point was a simplification, in that it did not include various conditions under which it would be made 100% accurate, the point is valid.

Ha! That is awesome. You are a true opportunist. I will defer making a decision on this, however, until I have a chance to discuss with my my boy how badly he wants to keep playing. If he wants to stick around, I will do so for him. Otherwise you can have my stuff.


Good points. I agree. And, aside from the other things I said in the OP, since I'm a solo player, EVE has nothing substantial to offer me.

So what about all the things you can do with a low skill set that I alluded to?

Doing your skills is as much a game as the main game itself if you want something fancy, but theres dozens of things that can be done with low or even no skills.

Theres no problm in EvE that there isnt a solution to

Posting my usual skillpoint spiel.

- All skills cap at level 5. No matter how many years you have played the game, you cannot exceed that limit. And lower level skills (ex. [Racial] Frigate) are very quick to train relative to more advanced skills.

- (*this is the important one*) Only a limited number of skills affect any one ship, module, weapon system, and specialty at any given time.
Ex1: You are a newbie facing someone with about 20 million SP... but how much of that overall SP is actually combat related? He/she could be a HUGE industrial player with limited combat skills.
Ex2: A veteran player has just trained up the skill Large Hybrid Turret to level 5. That skill in no way affects the skill Small Hybrid Turret and thus the veteran will be no better or worse than before at the frigate level.

- Getting a skill from level 4 to level 5 only adds on an extra 2% here, 5% there (exceptions apply). If you simply train up all the skills within a specialty to level 4 (which takes ~20% of the amount of time it takes to get those skills to level 5), you will find yourself flying at about 80 to 90% of the effectiveness of a multi-year veteran with those same skills in that specific specialty at level 5.

- Getting a skill to level 5 is supposed to be a painful train. Many players (yes, even veteran ones) opt to avoid doing it and instead train up other skills to level 4 (again, because it's faster).

- Ships and weapons have been balanced against one another.
Ex: A battleship can potentially instapop a frigate... but the frigate can fly very fast, making it difficult for the battleship's weapons to track, especially at very close range... then again, the battleship can deploy drones to deal with the frigate... and the frigate can shoot the drones down... however the battleship might have a Large Energy Neutralizer fitted to nuke the frigate's capacitor power every 24 seconds... in which case the frigate could use a Small Nosferatu that sucks out capacitor from the battleship every 3 seconds... etc. etc.

- High tech equipment (ex. T2, Faction, Officer, etc) will not give a player "I WIN" abilities. It simply gives a player a linear edge at an exponentially higher cost.
Ex: A group of two or three T1-fit frigates that cost about 500 thousand to 1 million ISK CAN kill a faction frigate worth about 50 to 100 million ISK... provided they are using the right mods in the right configuration and know what they are doing.


tl;dr...
- Having more skillpoints is not the "end all, be all" point of the game and there is more to most activities than just "open window, click, press F1- F9." There are a plethora of factors that can decide success or failure and many of them are purely abstract in nature (see: planning, meta-gaming, friends, short-term allies, making deals, psychological warfare, etc).
Plus... you may not be able to pilot that sexy Interceptor right away... but that doesn't mean you can't slap together a super fast ship that does something similar.

- once you have your "universal" core and support skills near or at maximum (which takes about 2 or 3 months of focused training) the gap between you and an older player begins to narrow quite significantly.

- part of the idea behind the current SP system is that you can't "powergrind" to success. You MUST learn how to utilize what you have first... which requires you to use your head and be creative. This helps you later on when you can finally use "better" ships/equipment... because you have hopefully familiarized yourself with the underlying mechanics that most Tech 1 ships/equipment utilize.

I'm glad that you find some satisfaction in EVE. The OP, of course, was not making the point that such was impossible. I'll just offer, in reply, that the nuances you've described were very clear within the first two weeks of playing. My OP was written with due consideration of such things.

could you show one way to NOT sell your PLEX should you have one and want to sell in Jita? Did buy orders disappear somehow?

The number was a hip shot. Ultimately, it doesn't matter. The point is that training for a ship is the beginning of training for that ship, not the end. There are numerous skills that bear on the utility of a ship. That amounts to significantly more training time than the face-value time noted in the "Requirements" tab. That was the point.

to the OP: could you describe what ship and fitting you wanted to play which needs you to wait for a year?

Some kind of Titan?

And why is it so important to have THIS ship fitted by THESE modules? Actually i don't know ships you can't replace by other and fits you can't change from T2 to meta or faction/deadspace/officer...

Well lets see, it cant be;

Missioning
Mining
Ratting
Exploration
Corporate Espionage
Piracy (inc Gankery)
Scouting
Cyno-alting
Logi
Marketeering
Manufacturing
or
Scamming

so it must be.....

Jumpship Piloting?

Your point is valid. It takes no game time to train skills. I suppose I could queue up the skills over several months, and then start "playing." That doesn't appeal to me, however. The journey is, in my opinion, part of the game.