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Aimy Maulerant
DDo Squad Gaming
#1 - 2014-04-10 12:40:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Aimy Maulerant
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Abidal Trekt
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-04-10 13:54:02 UTC
I was going to grill you, but I know that others inevitably will. I will simply advised you to go read other loan request threads, like someone else just said.
Aimy Maulerant
DDo Squad Gaming
#3 - 2014-04-10 14:07:31 UTC
yes i did and im not looking for a loan for investments or anything business related, hense why i ask to contact me via mail for a private conversation, sorry if i dont publicly announce what i need the loan for
Wafflehead
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-04-10 14:59:30 UTC
Aimy Maulerant wrote:
yes i did and im not looking for a loan for investments or anything business related, hense why i ask to contact me via mail for a private conversation, sorry if i dont publicly announce what i need the loan for


You need to state why you need the loan. There is no reason to not publicly announce it.

I could simply speak to you about the loan and then just paste the chat log here...
Don't waste players time by putting 'message me for details'.
Aimy Maulerant
DDo Squad Gaming
#5 - 2014-04-10 15:26:25 UTC
Wafflehead wrote:
Aimy Maulerant wrote:
yes i did and im not looking for a loan for investments or anything business related, hense why i ask to contact me via mail for a private conversation, sorry if i dont publicly announce what i need the loan for


You need to state why you need the loan. There is no reason to not publicly announce it.

I could simply speak to you about the loan and then just paste the chat log here...
Don't waste players time by putting 'message me for details'.


then that is your choice and what would that possibly achieve apart from losing a customer by breaching my confidentiality and showing you cant really be trusted, all you really need to know is when i can pay back and where the money i pay back is coming from dont see how announcing what im spending it on is relevent to the situation, im not wasting anyones time im asking for a serious amount of isk as a loan if you dont want the business then dont message me its simple. is it too much to ask for a little confidentiality?
Aadris
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-04-10 15:34:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Aadris
Unless you have 6B of assets to use as collateral for the loan stop wasting everyone's time.

Also you need to explain what you plan to do with the isk, there is no reason why this needs to be kept confidential and you don't have to explain exact details. People ask for loans for trading capital, speculation, invention, production etc all the time.
Proton Power
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-04-10 15:38:14 UTC
I don't tend to get to involved with Marker Discussion (IPO/Bonds) much anymore but I will bite...

1. You need 6bil Isk, simple enough.
2. You mention you don't know how about asking, simple enough.
3. People try to help you and show you what you should do to get said isk being you don't know how to ask.
4. You reply basicly refusing to do what is the standard to get a loan.
5. Proift???

Anyway, it seems you have collateral based on your post, if so I would mention that your willing to use some of your "assets" as collateral until the loan is repaid. I would also mention what you plan to give somone for lending you 6bil isk, for 1 month with full collateral I would say 4-5% but I have been out a while so that number may be off some.

Good Luck, based on your posts already you will need it.

FYI - If you have 6bil collateral, I will loan you the isk for 30 days for a fee of 200mil Isk.
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#8 - 2014-04-10 15:43:52 UTC
Aimy Maulerant wrote:
is it too much to ask for a little confidentiality?

When you intend to borrow someone else's money and offer them no security beyond your word, then yes, it is too much to ask for confidentiality.

You should expect to fully and truefully answer various probing questions until an investor is convinced of your honesty. If you are not prepared for that, then you will have to compensate elsewhere.

Giving people attitude doesn't compensate, instead it complicates. Instead of a random nobody asking for money on a internet spaceship forum, you are now a random ******** asking for money on an internet spaceship forum. Good work on that.

You will need to put up 6.6B of collateral for your 6B loan. Your next post on MD, if you make one, should be full details of that collateral including it's location.
Aimy Maulerant
DDo Squad Gaming
#9 - 2014-04-10 15:51:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Aimy Maulerant
thank you for the response no i dont have that much collateral but have already explained to someone via mail about the situation i am in with the isk and how it will be paid back with interest i dont particularily want to announce it on a forum as i prefer confidentiality with my own customer who may not want something announced, as for the posts of helping i dont consider being called a time waster as help especially when im asking for some business, i dont shout out in the middle of the street what i need a loan for when i go to the bank.

i am quite happy to explain via mail the situation and all details but sorry if i prefer the confidentiality of other peoples affairs.

I had a look through previous loan requests and noticed varied results towards collateral and no collateral and sorry im not great with all this stuff so would have preferred someone to explain the rates and give me there terms of business, im not a business person.

my services i offer are real life services with payment in isk so i hold no ingame assets for my isk i earn, im simply paid isk/plex when work is complete
Aimy Maulerant
DDo Squad Gaming
#10 - 2014-04-10 16:03:43 UTC
i dont have that collateral available so i will stop wasting peoples time, sorry
Volar Kang
Kang Industrial
#11 - 2014-04-10 19:52:52 UTC
Aimy Maulerant wrote:
i dont have that collateral available so i will stop wasting peoples time, sorry


Its not just the fact you dont have the collateral. You provide no business plan, you do not seem to want to do any of the legwork asked of you and ina game where scamming is promoted (be the villain) you come asking for 6b and expect people to just give it to you with no questions asked.

If you look around at some of the other posts from people who have asked for loans, you will see a great many of them get billions handed to them with no collateral. The difference is they have a plan and they are receptive to questions.
Aimy Maulerant
DDo Squad Gaming
#12 - 2014-04-10 20:01:14 UTC
Volar Kang wrote:
Aimy Maulerant wrote:
i dont have that collateral available so i will stop wasting peoples time, sorry


Its not just the fact you dont have the collateral. You provide no business plan, you do not seem to want to do any of the legwork asked of you and ina game where scamming is promoted (be the villain) you come asking for 6b and expect people to just give it to you with no questions asked.

If you look around at some of the other posts from people who have asked for loans, you will see a great many of them get billions handed to them with no collateral. The difference is they have a plan and they are receptive to questions.


thats not the case at all, as i said i am happy to explain in private with someone who would offer help and i have explained fully every detail to the 2 people who did private mail me and gave them every piece of info they asked for, all i asked was for a bit of confidentiality as i cant nor want to go throwing around projects im working on before they are finished as my customer may not be happy for it to be posted on a public forum, you have to understand where im coming from.

this isnt a business venture its a personal isk loan
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#13 - 2014-04-10 20:25:18 UTC
Aimy Maulerant wrote:

Its not just the fact you dont have the collateral. You provide no business plan, you do not seem to want to do any of the legwork asked of you and ina game where scamming is promoted (be the villain) you come asking for 6b and expect people to just give it to you with no questions asked.


Market Discussion is the public place where to ask for public investments / loans.

The good side is visibility: you get exposure and stand an high chance to be read by somebody who has the ISK to loan you.

The bad side is visibility: being the public investments forum, you are asked to discuss in public.
Aimy Maulerant
DDo Squad Gaming
#14 - 2014-04-10 20:45:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Aimy Maulerant
dont see what the issue is with discussing it via mail its perfectly normal to request private consultations, bankers and investors should know this more than anyone.

Thanks anyway for the people who did message Smile
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#15 - 2014-04-10 20:51:29 UTC
Aimy Maulerant wrote:
dont see what the issue is with discussing it via mail its perfectly normal to request private consultations, bankers and investors should know this more than anyone.

Thanks anyway for the people who did message Smile


Bankers and investors don't generally see loan requests being published on the newspapers either. Because that's what this forum is: a public media. Deal with it, instead of placing a [close] tag.
You just look like someone who's hightailing away and that's bad for your future.
Aimy Maulerant
DDo Squad Gaming
#16 - 2014-04-10 20:53:52 UTC
im not hightailing away from anyone i dont need the isk anymore and i dont need to display a reason, i also dont need to leave food out for the trolls
Wafflehead
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-04-10 21:46:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Wafflehead
Aimy Maulerant wrote:
im not hightailing away from anyone i dont need the isk anymore and i dont need to display a reason, i also dont need to leave food out for the trolls


Nom nom. Another failed 'I need ISK thread'. Wish the forums had automatic moderation!

OPs original post for MD records :)
Aimy Maulerant wrote:
Need to borrow 6bil isk, dont know what the requirements are for this so thought i would try, i have the isk available just not right this minute, and i need it pretty much now, will be looking for a 1 month loan but intend to pay it off alot sooner than that.

message me for any questions
Aimy Maulerant
DDo Squad Gaming
#18 - 2014-04-10 21:55:11 UTC
Wafflehead wrote:
Aimy Maulerant wrote:
im not hightailing away from anyone i dont need the isk anymore and i dont need to display a reason, i also dont need to leave food out for the trolls


Nom nom. Another failed 'I need ISK thread'. Wish the forums had automatic moderation!

OPs original post for MD records :)
Quote:
Aimy Maulerant]Need to borrow 6bil isk, dont know what the requirements are for this so thought i would try, i have the isk available just not right this minute, and i need it pretty much now, will be looking for a 1 month loan but intend to pay it off alot sooner than that.

message me for any questions


didnt hear you complain about talking in private regarding the website you required, text book trolling that is
Wafflehead
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-04-10 22:09:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Wafflehead
For others to be able to stay in context with the discussion - I sent Aimy an evemail back on 18th March regarding her web design services, the system would be a investment tracker to be able to keep on top of who, when and how much has invested...

She was unable to look into the system due to lack of skills.

This has nothing to do or is relevant to this discussion, you have a WTS thread here and I simply messaged you asking about your services. (I didn't post a WTB saying... Message me for details)

You are posting on a public forum (Market Discussions) asking for someone to talk to you in private for you to persuade them to invest/loan the funds.

We have simply stated that the forum post should have a lot more information. Eg. Why you need the ISK, Terms, Interests, Defaults, Risks etc.

There are a few threads that have no collateral (me being one of them) and each and every one of us has been slated, called a scammer and have fought hard to get investment with no collateral.

That is my two cents worth, it is off topic but I just had to reply.
Good luck
Aimy Maulerant
DDo Squad Gaming
#20 - 2014-04-10 22:19:55 UTC
so what problem is it of yours what i put in my post? who cares you could just ignore like the other hundreds who have probably viewed it, you didnt mail so you were not interested, others did but i needed the isk fast and that time expired so i didnt take the help i was offered.

and no i couldnt do your job because what you were asking was far too complicated and wouldnt even want to start looking at building you a system like that but i didnt take any isk or scam you out of anything
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