EVE General Discussion

Is it rookies in rookie systems, or the very act of baiting in rookie systems themselves?

If that is the case, CCP is then not only creating a safe zone for rookie players, but all mission runners within rookie systems and surely that is not the intent? If I bait (or gank) a one month old toon in a rookie system and splode him, surely he is responsible at that point for his own detonation?

Specifically, please confirm:
1) What defines 'rookie', 1 week old, 2 weeks old...
2) Can non-rookies be sploded in rookie systems?

I thank you for the enlightened conversation and churn that these rule proclamations by web-site generate in terms of players having to read tea-leaves, as opposed to just coding for it in-game and letting people have at it.

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C'mon, it's really not that hard.

1) Rookies - Definition a. Characters younger than 1 month. After that period you are evicted from the "Rookie Help" chat channel. See the hint?
- Definition b. Characters who are running the Tutorial or the SoE epic arc. And as you can rerun the epic arc only every three months, every character younger than three months is running it for the first time and thus still in the extended tutorial.

2) Yes, in principle. But why do you want to go there if you are no longer a rookie? Are there any lvl 3 or 4 mission agents that will send you there? No?
Simple solution: Travel through the systems if you must but don't linger there or shoot anyone in general. Exceptions may apply if war targets use those systems as hiding places or something like that.


You can figure out what is acceptable and what not by simple common sense, see?

One of my very first memories in Eve was being can baited in Arnon by some guy named Socratic. I also had my mission item stolen in the epic arc by a guy named isk4trade. Sad that these activities are gone to be honest, they are really what made me fall in love with Eve.

Had these events not happened I probably would have quit Eve, as I was already finding the "content" quite boring. Thankfully these pillars of the community did their duty and interacted me into loving Eve. Oh well.

RIP Can Baiting. :(

Do you really need to be told exactly what you can and can't do like a kid? Pretend you're an adult for a second and use your personal judgement like you hopefully do in real life.

The people judging this (GM's) have to do exactly the same thing themselves when deciding whether or not someone has broken the rules, there is no magic formula or exhaustive list of every possible action and whether it's allowed or not. If what you are doing could potentially be reasonably interpreted as breaking the rules on griefing, it's probably a bad idea to do it.

Real world laws regarding assault or fraud for example for give general definitions of what constitutes those things and you are expected to use your brain to decide whether or not any potential actions might be interpreted as such.

The real question is why would anyone want to attack people in newbie systems when there are 7600 others full of people you could be interacting with? Why bother get so close to the griefing rules that you need specific rule interpretations spoon fed to you so you can make sure you are just on the right side of the line?

The thing that blows my mind is that people are actually sad enough to bother to do this stuff (can flipping rookies etc) when Eve has such an enormous sandbox with so much to do and so much potential PvP. I know this is a stupid suggestion since the people doing this only want to pick on weak, inexperienced or confused players but fly out to any nullsec entry point or low sec system with some pop and you'll find a fight real soon. The amount of stuff in this game that is considered griefing is tiny so pick something else to do that isn't so close to the line and you won't get in trouble.

My suggestion: Don't harass people who can barely play the game who also represent CCP's future customers, targeting them may land you in trouble and is also really lame.

I also have good memories of can baiting on my first EVE character. It was like an extra tutorial on EVE game mechanics. But.. the huge difference is that those can baitings were not done by some lame wannabe pvp dudes like the NO gang these days, but rather by some very experienced null players/gentlemans whom after they killed me ... they donated a few million isk and also a few very precious advices about the EVE game mechanics. Most probably they were goons :)

But those were the glorious times when Burn Jita, ice interdiction and hulkagedon were done by professionals not by these lame so called .. hi sec content creators. I seriously miss the old fashion goons, the true villans of EVE. What we have now in EVE is just lame. Is why I voted mynna and the whole goon gang for CSM... I miss the goon incursions in hi sec.

if you are baiting in starter systems, whether can baiting, stealing and going suspect yourself, or some other method; in many cases you can't know in advance who is going to take the bait.

Best just to assume a new player might and then avoid that situation all together.

Even if by baiting you convo someone into accepting a duel or shooting you first, there's no reason, given the rules on grief play, to be looking for pvp in a starter system in the first place. There are plenty of other highsec systems available.

Not really. I just don't like him.

Perhaps you should take your own advice?

Nah, I don't dislike anyone and generally like to read what other people think.

Personal attacks just lead to retaliation and counter-attack that is not productive. If you don't like someone, block them. The personal attacks get in the way of good discussion and are just as much against the rules of the forum as you see highsec ganking being against the spirit of good play.

It's difficult in that situation to say one is bad without also accepting that the other is too.

And you suck. You had your chance to be a leader against a lame organization, but you .. same as others.. chickened out. Instead of being a silent killer, you become the most popular char on NO site.