EVE General Discussion

Can we keep it civil? Im making the effort, Im asking you do the same



Its this kind of attitude from the morally superior that means that the kind of PVP activity that the writer is railing against is not about to stop any time soon.

So the question is..what is good grief, Charlie Brown? (sorry, couldnt resist). I think it is obvious (unless you intentionally try to overthink it) what is permitted or not. There has been enough threads on this topic out there and Dev comments where the answers are right there, if you seek them.

Yeah there you have it. If you are in nullsec or lowsec and some noob comes by and you kill them there's maybe a chance to learn something. I have seen noobs take that plunge, get beaten, and then get some advice from the people who bested them.

When I get that "Oh, you play THAT game" response from other gamers, and I find out why the hate, there's a lot of this element whereby you have a new player who gets into trouble, and all they remember is being turbo-PWNED by someone whose ship they could barely scratch.

Now, even if they don't give anything more than a killmail to the fetishists, that is, they realize they are playing a game and that's that, they will also realize they are playing a game that they will not play well due to lack of time or experience, and rather than be fodder for people who get off on baiting noobs, they.... don't subscribe. They move on.

I might be posting this perhaps to change the viewpoints of some players but I know the last on that list would be the grief fetishists, who, if they were ever able to actually bring on a day when game is shut down in such measure that they could take credit for it, they would be high-fiving each other.

Because THAT is their game.

But to their credit, they at least know how great this game is, even if they would sooner destroy it for their own meta-jollies.


Maybe it's time for a "reputation" rating based on your SP versus SP ratio. That is, if your kill stats are full of your 40 million SP versus somebody's 500K SP, that should show on your board. It should be an entirely new stat, but one that would bring shame.

NO, that is unfair and would discourage high skilled players who choose to partake in PVP.

An 8 year vet with 150+ mil SP would have a terrible reputation because most of the players he is going up against don't have as many SP. Are you gonna check the age/SP of a player while engaged in fleet combat?

Your corp war-decs another corp or your corp gets decced by another corp. Are you gonna remain docked because the players in the opposing corp are younger and less experienced?

10x the sec status hits for ganking and other tomfoolery in rookie systems.

This is not true. In 1999 I played EQ1. The AI in that old game was so much better than EvE's. But its not the AI that's missing, its the immersion.

If you ever played EQ it was immersive. They had thousands of different NPC's, that had hundreds of stories, quizzes, ways they would interact with players.

One of my favorites was The Ancient Cyclops. It was a complete mystery throughout the entire games lifespan as to how to get it to spawn.

Basically it spawned in a desert full of skeletons, cyclops, mummies, spiders and other creatures. It'd spawn apparently randomly but there were 10's of rumours of how to make it spawn.

Eventually after the game was FTP one of the devs explained the method.

The catch was on the PvP server, it'd take up to 8, 10, 24, 48 or more hours to spawn and you'd have to stay in the area fighting off reds. It was great.

If a game from 1999 can do that, I'm sure EvE can do likewise. Conflict around spawns is a great way to generate content.

Even if CCP sell EVE's soul it will not be enough. The end times have come.

Actually it does work. Beat on your children, smack them around when they give lip and give them a good thrashing occasionally even if they do nothing wrong and they will grow up to beat on their own children, smack them around when they give lip and give them a good thrashing occasionally even if they do nothing wrong

What actually happens is that as soon as your children grow up, they kick the living **** out of you and then for good measure they burn down your house. With you still in it.

Lesson: Be good to your kids and you'll live longer.

Mr Epeen

Sure they are. I do these things all the time and don't get ganked randomly. The other half of it is that is that these things are not implicit in the game, and definitely need to be learned, but can be learned in a much more constructive manner. Admittedly when I first started playing, I didn't know that there was another way to get down a few start systems beside clicking on destination and hitting autopilot for the first day. I of course figured it out - but notably the tutorial doesn't go through the whole warping to zero thing and the disadvantages of using AP. A small beef I do have is that the tutorials could be tweaked a bit to make newbies more savvy to the rest of the galaxy. I digress.

At the end though these aren't the reasons newbs are getting their asses handed to them, being frustrated quickly. For example, when I started, I was ganked on the "Mountains out of Molehills" you know, when I was really fearsome with my one mining laser and civilian pulse laser. Hmm, I didn't know other capsuleers could get into mission deadspace, oh wait, I'm in my pod...

Come to think of it, I can't remember if I finished that or if I abandoned it at the time since for some reason I couldn't complete it, losing that mission chain. Either way when I saw that guy appear again in one of my missions I managed to high tail it out and preserve my poor tormentor, which of course I had so much ISK to replace at the time.

Either way, every time I've decided to make another alt, and (because I'm OCD about such things) I play through the career agents, there's always some guy flogging those systems. Challenging newbs to duels, trying to agree one by dropping jetcans, looting their wrecks, you name it, every trick in the book.



Its funny that on this forum (and even in this topic) we've had people complain that EVE is "dying". We regularly have people complain about any sort of effort that CCP is always trying to do to make the game more earning to support itself. Why do they need to do that - I'll give you a hint - they're having a hard time keeping new players.

Remember that we often don't see the people who are quitting. Most of the people I've talked to who only played for a short time have quit because they couldn't get anywhere, and the constant attack they come under, before they can manage anything more than a frigate.



If there's no reason to kill newbs, the why is this thread even here? Why are you defending the action of killing, and in some cases griefing them? Why is one of the most common wrecks you see on a gate a rookie ship? Why would you be in a newb's mission?




I've seen it in action, a lot. Go visit one of the career agent systems and see for yourself. Why does this thread exist if it isn't a problem?

Saggitus, first you say "I do those things all the time and I don't get ganked randomly", followed by "this is why noobs are getting their asses handed to them".

So which is it, already? You do realize those things are pretty contradictory?

Oh, and by the way. Quite a bit of the rest of your post is you displaying the fact that you learned something you didn't know, thanks to being attacked by another player.



Because those ships are free, everyone has one and most people have a few dozens, and since they're disposable people use them for transport? You do realize, I hope, that old players can and do fly those ships?

Heck, one of the more recent rookie ships I blew up had a 5 year old pod in it, and I got a nice set of implant kills, he had half a head full of Halos. Does that make me a griefer to you?