Ships & Modules

I like the SAAR version more, the web gives you better range control. I haven't done exact math on MSE buffer vs. SAAR, but my impression is it is a bit more survivable.

My fit is a bit different, it does have a small nos instead of the rocket launcher, which helps to keep tackle on neut fitted cruisers in gang and gives couple extra cycles on the repper if you're lucky.

Don't have the exact fit right now, but I guess you can figure out how to fit that on there.

Thanks for clearing that up, guess my gut feeling was wrong there. Did you take the numbers with heated SAAR, or unheated? I'm asking since there is no reason to use it unheated, and it makes quite a difference.

Anyway, the cap usually works out for a full nanite cycle even after some MWD usage.

With the small nos, you'll get additional cycles, in my experience it lasts quite a bit after paste ran out.



You'll definitely have to worry less about micro-management, so it is kind of a carefree fit. However, depending on where and what you fight, the lack of a web can be fatal.

You'll have no option left against AB brawlers / kiters that do have a web, and the Firetail isnt the strongest combat frig out there to begin with.

Especially in FW areas, where you have plenty of targets sitting in AB brawlers right on the beacon inside plexes, that is an issue. With the dualprop and web, you at least have some chance to break off and leave, given the decent speed of the Firetail.

And there are ways around said solutions

However, that does not change the fact that you are sacrificing a precious midslot for a miniscule and all things considered rather questionable gain when going dualprop mse over dualprop saar.

I have used both variants, not in the exact fittings the OP proposed, but the saar variant overall offers a better target selection.

In terms of survivability, especially when solo and / or you are one of those people that have the habit of taking stupid fights now and then, it is the better choice.

Don't have EFT on this computer so i can't provide the actual fit, but i'm a big fan of mwd dual webs AC Firetail. (considering i'm sort of a half noob and i might be saying non sense). Can do great against kiters with some slingshotting, no problem against scram kiters, and dual webs means that even against a lot of AB blaster brawlers you won't be at a loss, in fact, engaging properly you might even just scramkite them loading barrage, has fitting power enough to slap an energized adaptive plate to fix resist holes and getting absurd em and thermal res. Pretty sure you can even squeeze a Knave in, if you'd prefear that to a rocket launcher

You'd be looking at something going 3.5k/s (cold), 160ish dps (cold), 5kish EHP, with an impressively broad engagement profile


edit: why this fit and not another (for me).
- I don't like AB brawlers. Currently there are way too many long poing kitey ships around for me to consider going with an AB. LML ships, slicers, tristans, whatever. way too much flying around. Also, once you engage in AB brawler... well. You're completely committed to the fight and usually can't realistically expect to get out if things go south (read: his buddies joining the party)
- I don't like arty tails. Dual props ships give me an impossible time. Fits with a good active rep mean i can't break their tank. TDs can put the hurt if i have to fly in any way that doesn't involve 0 transversal to them. In fw would mean i can't safely slide in an occupied plex risking to be scrammed on the button and thus ******.
-vs dual prop. mwd Dual webs give pretty much the same speed ratio against ab web-scram, but fares better against other kinds of ships in my experience