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Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-04-09 05:18:51 UTC
- I warp to a bookmark of a wormhole. A bookmark I know is good because I've used it before
- Wormhole isn't there.
- I scan down a new wormhole sig in system.
- It's not a new wormhole. It goes to the system the other hole did. The other end is in the same place within the system, and thus already bookmarked. The hole is EOL.

The only conclusion I can make is that somehow the end of the wormhole in my system moved. Why is it moving ?

So far I've seen it happen twice, both within the past week. Both times to the system static.
Proclus Diadochu
Mar Sarrim
Red Coat Conspiracy
#2 - 2014-04-09 05:26:42 UTC
This post sounded like a Rubix Cube...



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MadbaM
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-04-09 06:02:39 UTC
Hesod Adee wrote:
- I warp to a bookmark of a wormhole. A bookmark I know is good because I've used it before
- Wormhole isn't there.
- I scan down a new wormhole sig in system.
- It's not a new wormhole. It goes to the system the other hole did. The other end is in the same place within the system, and thus already bookmarked. The hole is EOL.

The only conclusion I can make is that somehow the end of the wormhole in my system moved. Why is it moving ?

So far I've seen it happen twice, both within the past week. Both times to the system static.



Someones ******* with your corp BM's bro, or your on acid.
RudinV
Sons Of Mother's Friend
Can i bring my Drake...
#4 - 2014-04-09 06:26:13 UTC
MadbaM wrote:
[quote=Hesod Adee] your on acid.

^ and looks like u dont like to shareSad
Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-04-09 06:45:26 UTC
MadbaM wrote:
Hesod Adee wrote:
- I warp to a bookmark of a wormhole. A bookmark I know is good because I've used it before
- Wormhole isn't there.
- I scan down a new wormhole sig in system.
- It's not a new wormhole. It goes to the system the other hole did. The other end is in the same place within the system, and thus already bookmarked. The hole is EOL.

The only conclusion I can make is that somehow the end of the wormhole in my system moved. Why is it moving ?

So far I've seen it happen twice, both within the past week. Both times to the system static.



Someones ******* with your corp BM's bro, or your on acid.


Problem is, the sig ID also changes without downtime happening.
Skintan
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-04-09 07:16:21 UTC
We've had the opposite of this. One of our statics respawned in the same place, but went to a totally different system.
BayneNothos
United Electro-Magnetic Federation
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#7 - 2014-04-09 07:20:39 UTC
Wormholes do take time to respawn (not the word I want to use but can' think of another one.) after DT so they can take a couple of minutes to reappear. But they end up in the same spot, give or take a few metres. If it's a completely separate grid, well, yah I'd say BM shenanigans.
BayneNothos
United Electro-Magnetic Federation
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#8 - 2014-04-09 07:22:07 UTC
Skintan wrote:
We've had the opposite of this. One of our statics respawned in the same place, but went to a totally different system.


That happens when the wormhole times out when the server is down over DT. It can't generate a new co-ordinate location so it uses the last one it had.
Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-04-09 07:43:03 UTC
BayneNothos wrote:
Wormholes do take time to respawn (not the word I want to use but can' think of another one.) after DT so they can take a couple of minutes to reappear. But they end up in the same spot, give or take a few metres. If it's a completely separate grid, well, yah I'd say BM shenanigans.


The wormhole was in one place. As in I warped to it.

Then, a few hours later, with no downtime in between, it was on a different grid with a different sig ID.

Shenanigans don't explain the sig ID changing.
scotayne hawkins
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-04-09 08:49:18 UTC  |  Edited by: scotayne hawkins
We've Had Similar Last few days. Dt expiry but not moving is old and expected. We've also had the same hole Colapse reopen to the same system 3 times now in the last 24hrs hoping dt fixes it.

Otherwise my c6-c6 just become a c6-c6-c3

edits due to on phone. Dam predictive text.
Skintan
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-04-09 09:00:54 UTC
BayneNothos wrote:
Skintan wrote:
We've had the opposite of this. One of our statics respawned in the same place, but went to a totally different system.


That happens when the wormhole times out when the server is down over DT. It can't generate a new co-ordinate location so it uses the last one it had.



Learn something new everyday. Thanks, that explains my corps 'mystery of the week'. I would also have accepted, 'Bob doth decreed it.'
BayneNothos
United Electro-Magnetic Federation
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#12 - 2014-04-09 10:40:51 UTC
Skintan wrote:
BayneNothos wrote:
Skintan wrote:
We've had the opposite of this. One of our statics respawned in the same place, but went to a totally different system.


That happens when the wormhole times out when the server is down over DT. It can't generate a new co-ordinate location so it uses the last one it had.



Learn something new everyday. Thanks, that explains my corps 'mystery of the week'. I would also have accepted, 'Bob doth decreed it.'


I kinda wish my WH had a 24h WH so I can wait till a super short DT and open the WH then, thus making it so it always opens in the same spot so I can surround it with bubbles except for a thin tunnel through to it when warping from the POS. If someone actually does this, please for Bob's sake post about in on the forums.

As for the moving WH, dunno mate. My money is still on bookmark shenanigans. Maybe you had a loop via a k162 and someone before you named the BM's wrong or something. I've done that a couple of times and gone wtf.
Euthanasia Anneto
Embers Children
#13 - 2014-04-09 11:12:11 UTC
BayneNothos wrote:
Skintan wrote:
We've had the opposite of this. One of our statics respawned in the same place, but went to a totally different system.


That happens when the wormhole times out when the server is down over DT. It can't generate a new co-ordinate location so it uses the last one it had.
Doesn't need to be during DT.
I've seen hole renewing during mid-day. How else can explain that I orbit a WH which was deep EOL and when back from a while beeing afk still remaining in the same Orbit around the hole but the hole refreshed itself and connect self to another system.
To bad I missed that refresh, I wonder if that had a cinematic or not.

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Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2014-04-09 15:14:01 UTC
Euthanasia Anneto wrote:
BayneNothos wrote:
Skintan wrote:
We've had the opposite of this. One of our statics respawned in the same place, but went to a totally different system.


That happens when the wormhole times out when the server is down over DT. It can't generate a new co-ordinate location so it uses the last one it had.
Doesn't need to be during DT.
I've seen hole renewing during mid-day. How else can explain that I orbit a WH which was deep EOL and when back from a while beeing afk still remaining in the same Orbit around the hole but the hole refreshed itself and connect self to another system.
To bad I missed that refresh, I wonder if that had a cinematic or not.



I imagine it'd be less exciting that you think. Hole dissipates, new hole spawns with a pop.

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Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#15 - 2014-04-09 15:27:13 UTC
Skintan wrote:
We've had the opposite of this. One of our statics respawned in the same place, but went to a totally different system.



That happens if the wormhole respawns during downtime.

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Sugilite
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-04-09 18:00:42 UTC
Hesod Adee wrote:
- I warp to a bookmark of a wormhole. A bookmark I know is good because I've used it before
- Wormhole isn't there.
- I scan down a new wormhole sig in system.
- It's not a new wormhole. It goes to the system the other hole did. The other end is in the same place within the system, and thus already bookmarked. The hole is EOL.

The only conclusion I can make is that somehow the end of the wormhole in my system moved. Why is it moving ?

So far I've seen it happen twice, both within the past week. Both times to the system static.


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Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#17 - 2014-04-09 21:12:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Rall Mekin
About two months ago, we had an experience where our static did not roll, but suddenly the wormhole was no longer where we bookmarked it inside our static--like I said, our static never changed on the home hole side. The sig ID was even still the same--it had literally just changed places. Its rare, but I'm convinced that wormholes, even when we don't think they act like they are intended, actually do--I don't think the math is as solid as we lead ourselves to believe it is.
Tosawa Komarui
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-04-11 14:47:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Tosawa Komarui
Hesod Adee wrote:
- I warp to a bookmark of a wormhole. A bookmark I know is good because I've used it before
- Wormhole isn't there.
- I scan down a new wormhole sig in system.
- It's not a new wormhole. It goes to the system the other hole did. The other end is in the same place within the system, and thus already bookmarked. The hole is EOL.

The only conclusion I can make is that somehow the end of the wormhole in my system moved. Why is it moving ?

So far I've seen it happen twice, both within the past week. Both times to the system static.


i can confirm this happens, i had a wormhole scanned and bookmarked, but when i warped to it about 10 hours later or so it was gone and i figured i might find a more convienent exit from the static high, but it turned out to be the same location on the other side, it had just moved positions inside jspace Cry
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#19 - 2014-04-11 16:00:21 UTC
The common denominator in all of these 'odd occurances' is that the involved victims are using Siggy. I've given you the dots, just draw the line.
Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-04-11 21:52:40 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
The common denominator in all of these 'odd occurances' is that the involved victims are using Siggy. I've given you the dots, just draw the line.

How do you know who using siggy and who isn't ?


Oh and cut the 'connect the dots' BS. You just accused Siggy of somehow being able to influence the Eve servers. Please back that up with some evidence.
That evidence would include details on how. Not just the evidence of a correlation. Correlation does not equal causation.