EVE General Discussion

Despite the fine efforts of so many New Order members and supporters there is still such a vast sea of misunderstanding and ignorance out there. I know a lot of it is willfully refusing to accept that we mean what we say because "principle!" and "honor!" but some of it appears to be just plain not-getting-it.

I think no one will argue with the statement that there are players in Eve who believe they should be able to safely PvE in highsec without interference from other players. These players are concentrated in three areas. 1) The players who AFK autopilot between systems, mainly haulers, 2) the players who run missions in expensive, over-fitted non-PvP ships and of course 3) the max yield ice and ore miners. They often compound their stupidity by doing these activities with pods full of expensive implants chosen to maximize their ISK generation. Each of these types of players thumbs their nose at the idea that they are doing something provably stupid, despite Eve's long history of separating these foolish people from their assets.

None of this would be a problem if they didn't fly to the petition page and the forums ( and the comments section of www.minerbumping.com) to demand changes to the game that would prevent them from having to take actual actions themselves to prevent another sudden but justifiable loss of their precious ISK.

And THAT wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't clear that CCP has been listening to them. In what is certainly an attempt to carve out a safe space for the risk adverse (and their subscriptions) we have seen numerous changes to highsec that have been obvious concessions to the "highsec should be safe" crowd. Increased EHP built into the mining ships, massive ore holds, CONCORD response times buffed, can-flipping agro changes, and, of all things, a safety button were put in to save the carebears from themselves and their dumb activities.

And so, there is the New Order of Highsec. Pushing back. Not just against the players but the people who decide the things in the previous paragraphs were good ideas. Somebody care to explain how any of those things made Eve a better game? How it matches with the dark, dangerous universe? How it isn't something Blizzard would do?

We say we are against the AFKers and the bot aspirants. Its what we call people who think highsec is or should be safe. We call them bot aspirants for two reasons. One because what they do is barely different from a bot, ie a click or two every 45 minutes. Two because they WOULD bot if CCP allowed it. I know, they claim they would NEVER bot. But the truth is, if CCP put a macro function into Eve that allowed them to automate their PvE, they would use it. For many, the whole point is to make ISK while doing something else. Many miners have moved so close to being bots they are indistinguishable to the observer. And the bots hide amongst them in clear sight as no one can tell the difference.

So, finally, we get to the permits. Despite the clear history of the New Order where James has told us the permits exist because CCP REQUIRED James to create a profit aspect of the Code it serves another useful purpose. It allows us Agents to tell who is with us and who is against us. Who supports us and who supports the bot aspirants. When I see a miner without a permit I recognize him as someone who supports a safe highsec, afk play and bot aspirancy. I cheerfully bump or gank said player because he is the ENEMY of this game. For his own selfish reasons, he is willing to turn Eve into a theme-park.

I, for one, will hunt down people like this and drive them wailing into the wilderness. Or back to their safe on-line games. Eve is better off without them. And I am definitely not roleplaying when I say this.

Highsec is worth fighting for.

Bing Bangboom
Agent of the New Order of Highsec
Belligerent Undesirable

People watch DScan and local now far more than they did before.

You can deny it if you want, but NO is responsible for the mining community actually attempting to look after itself.

Exactly this.

I encountered someone mining just a couple days ago on my scout. While slowboating my scout toward them, I looked at their bio and saw a permit listed there.

Solely because of that, I chose to gank a different miner in the same anomoly.

Their permit saved them a 160m Mackinaw plus whatever their fittings were worth (probably 15m) and cost one of their rivals a Covetor (~40m fitted).


This is not ISK Progressquest. And highsec is worth killing for.