Player Features and Ideas Discussion

the tank is low enough i hate it if my mack gets blown up from 4-5 destroyers while i m fitting only tank no yield

and the ore bay on the procurer is to low that i cant mine without hauler its simply to ineffective

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I want easy ganks...

I mine and I always fit for tank, for obvious reasons given the state of highsec these days.

then the current barge situation is entirely the fault of the goons. if they had of treated the mack like the domi and flown it large numbers, CCP would have noticed sooner and taken corrective action against something so demonstratively over powered. eh Baltec1?

could have called it "mynnna fleet".

We still have easy ganks, most miners refuse to fit tanks still. The issue here is that the hulk and cov are outclassed in too many areas by the mack and ret while the procuror and skiff are unneeded because the mack and ret provide enough tank to see off gankers looking for profit. In the case of the mack it can do this while also getting a good yield.

This is about getting people to want to fly all the barges rather than just the ret and mack. The last change simply swapped king hulk for king mack/ret.

More bad balancing for the sake of bad balancing.

CCP created that disbalance themselves and continue to go the wrong way.
First they nearly removed the gap between the t1 and t2 (basicly giving Exhumers 5 a finger). And then someone though instead of giving barges roles to make them mine nearly the same amount with different ore bays. Ofc people will go for the barge with the biggest ore bay, because they all mine nearly the same. Buffing Skiffs to mine the same amount as macks is the wrong way to go.
To make people choose their ships you have to give roles, simple, like:
1) Good defence, but mines noticeably less.
2) Average all arounder
3) Mining machine but needs a hauler and a little protection.

Or anything else, but not making them nearly the same in terms of profit.

This whole rebalance is based on a flawed idea to begin with and will fail yet again.

You are playing the wrong game. Miners will never be exempt from pvp in this pvp focused game.

No one is asking for miners to be exempt from pvp in this pvp game. Ganking a mining barge is however so one sided as fail the pvp test.

A clue is in the name (player vs player).

With the exception of the procurer/skiff a mining barge has no real tank and mobility and no easy way to avoid a gank or even fight back. Therefore there's no player vs player contest here.

Up the tank on all of the barges and allow some offensive weapons to be added to the hulls and you might have a point. However I predict that if mining barges could fight back, be tougher or move/align faster than they wouldn't get ganked.

This says more about the nature of gankers than it does about miners.

Gankers are the game's real carebears...

Edit: If I undock in a mining barge I am taking a real risk that someone may blow me up. If you and your pals undock in a squad of catalysts and visit a belt with the intention of ganking, what do you risk exactly?

******* carebears flying cats...

I dont want to turn this into a gankers vs bears thread, my arguments are to do with making the other barges viable and not having just two barges being used by near everyone.

In answer to you, the gank cats risk getting attacked by anyone and are ironically, profitable to gank. PvP is player vs player, it doesn't matter how one sided it is, it is still pvp. You might not like it but others do. Now, realistically, the only threat a high sec miner will ever face is from said gankers.

There are, ORE Strip miner, ORE Ice Harvester etc etc.

Also ORE LP is some of the most valuable, not worst. You can get 10K plus per LP.