Ships & Modules

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The AB long Point will do fine against Battleships and slow Bc's in a wolfpack. The AB long point is not a solo ship.

Because you are discussing them in solo/1v1 situations. They have their role in a frigate/dessie roam. Primary to hold down BB's and certain BC's. You're out of web range and the big guns can barely touch you, and unless they are fit for speed, even their MWD can't outrun you so long as you overheat your AB.

You frigate/destroyer buddies will be weaving in to apply their damage (and a scram/web) and they will weave out when they take too much damage. While they are weaving out, your Long Point keeps him pinned indefinitely. Your guns can kill their drones, and you're doing upwards of 250dps.

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it works fine in 5+man frigate/dessie gang.

With small pulses, you simply orbit at 500m on afterburner. The problem is not to get under the small pulses, it is not to get under your own tracking due to stupid tracking formula.

So after you realize both you and the pulse ship do not hit anything, you gradually increase orbit to a point where you can hit, but he does not. It isnt rocket science.

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Pretty much all dessies are better with no prop than AB, just sayin.

You obviously put a lot of work into this so i would feel bad for just sitting here and shitting over it but a few things i noticed from a short skim

1. Don't dual rep a dragoon, it doesn't have the cap for it.

2. Coercer with an AB and overdrive? NO.

3. "f your opponent has a web, and you moved into his web range using conflag ammo, try to get out as fast as you can and switch back to scorch." If your opponent has a web, you're not getting out of his range.

4. I approve of gamma! blue lasers +1

5. Cormorant with AB, td and longpoint? whut?

6. Armor tanked cormorant, disgusting.. Also Armor reppers aren't medium slot modules.

7. Actually holy **** i just noticed those aren't EFT fittings.. You hand wrote all of that? O.o Jebus are you on meth? You could just make the fits in EFT and then copy them into that o.O

8. "THIS IS AN OVERHEATING BOAT" waht?

All in all i really appreciate the amount of work you put into this but i do find quite a few of the fittings questionable.. But most of them are just suboptimal, not utter shitfits (Although tbh some of them are shitfits, often largely due to the AB)

I'd suggest reworking the fits a bit, run them by someone who has done a lot of frig pvp and optimize them a bit. I would provide more feedback but i'm a really really lazy person ^^ All in all i would like it if you kept doing this sort of thing but maybe after pvping a bit more? I cannot stress enough how impressed i am with the amount of work even though i might not be super impressed with the fits.

Most of the fits can switch out the AB for the MWD.

The problem I have with MWD on dessies is that if anything sneezes you'll die since your sig is Battleship size. The Talwar is the only dessie that alleviates this problem. If you're going to MWD, use a frigate (cheaper and harder to kill) or AF (much harder to kill, but more expensive). If you're going to MWD in a destroyer, than you can only fight other destroyers or frigates (and some AF's and a very narrow range of tier 1 cruisers). On the bright side, you can fly solo with the MWD.

The Catalyst is most certainly an overheating boat. It's paper thin and gains a tremendous amount of dps from the overheat, name any situation that you would not overheat in a catalyst.

All boats are overheating boats.. You never not overheat in pvp unless you are 100% certain you will win without it.. Even then.. a lot of the time you overheat to save time.

And the MWD sigbloom is less than the speed increase if you're not flying at someone. Generally you don't have to worry about getting instapopped unless you're up against a domi or something (in which case you will die anyways)

I'm really struggling to be nice; people who know me will tell you that its not really my thing, because i appreciate the amount of work you put into this.

But, you should try a brick tanked propless coercer/dragoon/algos those are fun as balls ^^

You should always start overheating most things, some are situational like tackle and prop but generally, way to many people heat less than they should. Overheating is not something you do when things are turning south, by then its probably too late. You want to overheat from the get go.

Also if you're going to be in small groups you probably want something other then that tbh. Frigs/dessies die fast so brawling is generally not that good, especially in glass cannons. Unless you don't at all mind bleeding members from your pack every time you have a fight. In wolf packs i would suggest hardy tanks, and probably long range. I quite like the dragoon, talwar and algos for that tbh.