Missions & Complexes

yup it's hard to be 100% efficient but it still reduces time, especially when the mission has too many BS rats.

really? you're doing it wrong them.
tengu perma-runs 1 t2 invul, 1 sansha em hardener, RF ab and pithi b-type small booster just fine. and you don't have to use any cap mods for that. this is enough tank for me... no need to switch hardeners too.
that or you have to seriously work on your skills.

> and it doesn't take much to pop a webbed tengu. I almost lost one in WC second room once.

in case you didn't know, fury mussiles increase your sig radius which increases the damage you take from BS and cruiser rats. so avoid using them when the tank is an issue. also furies work bad when you need to get rid of the 'elite' NPC frigs.

try switching to CN missiles (or precisions but they have worse dps, still can be better on close range targets if you have low skills) when you warp in. get rid of the webber frigs right away and you won't ever get webbed.

the notable exception to this rule is silence the informant second room. ignore the frigs, kill the attacking cruisers first - that will remove all the dps and then you can take care of the wingmans and spider drones.

> I guess people would have run into the same problem. Any solutions for that?

well in my opinion, t2 BS are overrated, they don't add anything worth their price and training time. so you can usually get the same dps from t1 BS.
of course if you've already maxed paladin there is nothing you can do, since t1 BS are awfully inefficient in energy weapons cap... still you may try to make a ftting that is devoted to cap generation for guns and minimalistic tank. with minmatar BS you'd not have such problem since projectiles don't need cap and t1 maelstrom is ok for dps purposes.

to avoid tanking with BS, you have to aggro everyting with the tengu and then warp in the BS. if there are multiple spawns - activate them all (and aggro) with the tengu while taking care of the frigs, then warp in the BS and take care of everything else.

also don't just sit tengu in one place -- instead, orbit some object at 10km (if it's a jettisoned junk) at maximum speed with AB on. this and the low sig radius makes tengu the best tanker out there, save for the multi billion deadspace fits.

> The paladin char has excellent drone skills on the paladin char. Tengu char has good missile skills but not much else.

here is your problem. tengu with bad shield tanking skills is a waste of isk. also you have to get missile skills up to be able to remove tackling quickly enough.

concentrate on shield and HM skills for the following 6 months or so and then return to the tengu...


yup, lasers are not good for gank AND tank... maybe try to respec to projectile weapons. if you have good gunnery support skills, it should not take too much time to switch to minmatar hull, or even use apoc but I don't know if it's any better than minmatar hulls with projectiles.

P.S. what a wondrous new forums! can't even quote properly.

Nightmare + noctis ftw

Tank drake + Torp Phoon is my prefered way to do high sec missions when I feel lazy.
Gila + Tengu is probably my fav combo, since just kiting the mission is basically semiafk, just click the button every few min
Raven + Domi/Apoc is what I am using in nullsec atm, the domi has some shield RR, the raven has armor RR

Manticore x2 + Blackbird is what I am using for FW missions

In a couple of months once the t2 links come out, I may try off grid booster loki + 100mn ab tengu for FW missions, since I have a fit in mind that can PVP and PVE at the same time.

If you dual monitors do you need to run windowed to get one on each monitor?

I guess this is kind of a stupid question, but if you use an extra monitor with your laptop, will there be a heavy increase in cpu load? My lap runs 2 clients with ease, but am not sure about the dual monitors.

This is why I my tengu is fit with a large shield booster and is cap stable. It still has 6 launchers and 3 x CN BCS's, so dps is not that gimped. I don't have to micro manage it can permanently tank all rooms, if no neuting. I just switch over to change targets. I play on a single screen in window mode, and put the selected object on the bottom right, so I can see when it is done. I use standard heavy for everything except BS. My alt is in a NM so focus on the NM which is gank fit.

Thanks for taking the time to post. There's some pretty interesting combinations in here, I'll probably give one or two a go.

As of now, I'm running a Tengu/Cerberus combo'. The Tengu goes in slightly ahead of the Cerb, although it isn't an issue who lands first really. I set the Tengu to orbit an installation or something fixed and then set the Cerb' to 'keep distance' of 50m from the Tengu. They are both cap-stable and perma-run small Pithi C-Class Shield Boosters. Both are sensor boosted and both perma-run 10mn AB's.

It's working bloody well atm, tbh. I always make sure though that both are loaded up with Precision Heavy Missiles before warping into the first room. Sometimes I'll fit the Tengu with twin TP's, but tbh, there are two med slots on the Tengu that I can in all honest, leave empty, lol. The Cerb' is great for range and as both of them are fully kitted out with BCS' the only annoying thing is having to constantly re-target as things don't tend to last long, lol. And yes, I have tried only using F.O.F's just to see if that enables me to be even lazier, lol. But the buggers keep going after everything, including large collidables.

I'm going to get a couple of Gila's soon and try that combo' out.

Again, thanks for taking the time to post.

My fit below.. you can also drop the explosion field and cap flux and put in a fed navy 10mn AB and a power diagnostics and still have decent tank and be cap stable. But this works for my style of play...

[Tengu, Mission]
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node_2
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate_2
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir_2
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay_2
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst_2

Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Photon Scattering Field II_2
Gist C-Type Large Shield Booster_2
Invulnerability Field II_2
Photon Scattering Field II_2
Shield Boost Amplifier II_2
Explosion Dampening Field II_2

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System_2
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System_2
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System_2
Capacitor Flux Coil II_2

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II_2
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II_2
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I_2

Ok I learned something cool today... Well not really cool but simple fact. Golem/Tengu is the ultimate duo period. I tried the Mach cool ship beautiful and all that but if you run Caldari missions it is gimped compared to the 9000 alpha strike of the Golem. Simple as that I am sure the Mach shines against non-kenetic enemies but as far as Caldari Navy missions go there is no better duo than the Tengu/Golem. Absolutely melt all missions against Gurista and Angle and Sansha.

Oh well I still have an amazing ship the Mach if I want to move to Amarr or something and run missions and the every once in a while Sansha/Blood missions or if I am bored. Golem/Tengu dual box is the thing to have in Caldari space. I love the instant pop of frigs and such is really cool but the Golem Alpha of 9000 Kenetic Damage is just not beatable in Caldari space.

Mach is sexy too! Love her but ...

Domi + Paladin