Science & Industry

well, that's quite a late boomer.

can't blame us for their *passive insult here* mistake.

You do realize that no ISK is being generated? And nothing in PI is passive. We spend time and ISK to get CC to planets, build colonies, constantly maintain them, get an industrial out there to pick up said goods, haul them to our POS for use / to the market for sales (where we are already taxed the same rate as everyone else for normal EVE transactions), but somehow paying upward of 50% of our profits UP FRONT at export is you're idea of "now you actually have to pay a litttle".

Perhaps the word little means something different to you. To the adults, it's not 50%. It's not 30%. Heck, I'll even accept 17% of my actual sales as an ISK sink, if it were in fact, 17%. It is not.

one wetware mainframe is going to cost 8 million now, to turn the same profit?

We'll have to see what the future brings.

Nonetheless, no reason to be insulting the playerbase.

People are free to complain when something just can't be right.


And nothing was "mined for free" on PI. Starting with the fact people been pumping their freaking time into this mess with the old system.


Example:
I understand there are reasonable thoughts behind a system that was apparently "fixed and working as intended now", but this is all the "Left Hand Axe Nerf" all over again from Daoc. If you don't know what that is or what happened, it was a specific weapon ability spec line in a Sword n Board MMORPG - Let's say the awesome before WoW.
One (actually two classes) were doing ridiculous damage, but somewhere, it fit the style. The class was not called "berserker" for nothing.

Anyhow, the company nerfed that "Left Axe" to oblivious, thus screwing up the class and it took another tons of years until it was balanced back to an acceptable level.

SO in this case, I'm just asking for an acceptable level. Right now, the tax is too brutal.
I have a friend too who just returned to eve and wanted to start PI...
Well, that won't work out.

Nerf/Taxation raise, okay.
But don't put it so freaking high, ffs.


If we or CCP be listening to the anti-whine as attempted here and there, there would have never been a Scap or Dramiel nerf. So, I could give a rat's bootie about certain posts.

It really depends on how you're making the wetware mainframe. How are you making it? If I start with all the P2's for the mainframe, the total tax per unit (at 10%) would be 216000 isk. With the old tax rates, this same setup would've cost 50810 isk per unit. So that's a jump of 425.11% for this particular setup at a 10% tax rate.

Well then they failed. PI was only moderately profitable given two chars or more, and it was a boring click fest even then. I would rather spend my ten to twenty minutes doing something else that was maybe even entertaining after the first week.

And the POCO are vulnerable to attack. Something vulnerable to attack in EVE is not worth doing solo unless the profitability is more assured.

Short story, there are easier ways to make money and PI will not be one of them without changes to the amount of resources extracted and infrastructure management.

Well then they failed. PI was only moderately profitable given two chars or more, and it was a boring click fest even then. I would rather spend my ten to twenty minutes doing something else that was maybe even entertaining after the first week.

And the POCO are vulnerable to attack. Something vulnerable to attack in EVE is not worth doing solo unless the profitability is more assured.

Short story, there are easier ways to make money and PI will not be one of them without changes to the amount of resources extracted and infrastructure management.

I'm using a spreadsheet based on the max amount of previous tier items used at each step (source: eve uni wiki), with an option to select which ones are exported and which ones are kept on planet for processing. For a P4 item, worst case scenario, I consider:

2880 P1 items -> 144k export, 72k import next planet.
180 P2 items -> 162k export, 81k import next planet.
18 P3 items -> 126k export, 63k import next planet.
1 P4 item -> 135k final export.

That all adds up to 783k isk. As you remove steps, by doing more than one layer conversion in the same planet, the total tax cost goes down fairly quickly. That's why I said that was the maximum increase. Ok, the very worst case would be if you also exported the P0 items (up to 1.1M), but I think everyone agrees that's not reasonable.

It's interesting to note how the tax cost changes across tiers, with P2 being the most expensive to export.