Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I orginally didn't think this needed to be said but this change would only apply to first time offenders.

Current Rules
First offense - 30 day ban, a permanent ban on character transfers, and loss of all assets gained from botting.
Second offense - Permanent ban

So this is my idea you can write whatever you want in response I will try and answer any questions. My idea is for accounts that have been banmed for the first offense of botting have the ability to transfer characters restored after an active twelve month period. When I say active that means if there is anytime the account goes inactive that timer would stop as well.

Why you might be asking? Well it was originally intended to only last for so long. See https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/9133. "We'll probably have to come up with some form of timing solution for the future."

So first of all lets look at why ccp would allow this to return to an account that has broken the rules. Simple in brings more money in due to the fact character transfers cost either plexes or real money to transfer. Also requires that person to keep that account active so its another account putting money in there pocket

Okay some problems you might say with this are people will just give the account twelve months and transfer the characters to another account they own and the recycling begins again. Well first of all if you transfer it to another account you if that account isn't flagged you get caught that account would also be banned permanently as it would still be in your name. But about players that transfer to another account that is not in there name and uses different details but is found to being used by the same person? Well that is a violation of the character bazaar rules and will get you a permanent ban for manipulating the character bazaar which is stated on the front page sticky.

Also please see my posts below for why people wouldn't use this for recycling characters.


Will try to respond to all statements and questions.

Reducing the punishment for botters will be as popular as lowering the punishments for corrupt politicians.

Whilst we believe that you personally have never botted and do indeed lie awake each night worrying about those that do......
wait we do not believe that at all.
We all hope that the banned accounts had a metric ton of isk and assets that can never be accessed again though.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
Anyway I shall continue to fight this righteous war and tell you why people wouldn't use this method to recycle characters. I will even make it multiple choice!

So first time your ban you have two options if you want to be able to do character transfers or recycle your character you can do either -

A) Do as I have stated which is pay 14 plexes or 150 US dollars and wait a year of active game time to recycle your character.

or

B) Just create a new account spend 3 plexes or 45 US dollars then train for two to three months then continue botting.

Now if you were a botter and money was your bottom line which option would you choose?

well that really depends how valuable the skills and assets on that char are to the player. if hes got 50bil in assets and years worth of SP, then 14 plex isnt that much.

unless the banned char has all its assets removed, wallet reduced to zero or less and SP's to 400k or something. then give him a noob ship with civilian mods and 1 unit of trit and point him towards the tutorial missions. if thats the case, spending plex to get ur characters name, history and likeness back is ok i guess.

I can't bring myself to support even the slightest relaxation of the (already to light) consequences for botters.

Okay since I seem to be confusing a lot of people here I will redirect my argument and answer all questions. Will also update the orignal post.

Noxisia Arkana - first I never mentioned anything about permanent banned accounts being able to trade characters. How do you figure permanent banned accounts would be able to use a year of game time? I'm talking about the accounts that have fallen under the first ban of thirty days that also takes away the ability to transfer characters. As the second offense gets you a permanent ban.

Daichi Yamato - I don't see how the assets would be a problem as you would still have access to and be able to log on the character after the thirty day ban. So not really sure what you mean by this. If you are talking about permanent banned accounts that is not what I am trying to discuss.

Psychoactive Stimulant - If I still had a bunch of plexes on my account I could still use them as my account has not been permanent banned please read before you place an arguement. Also in the OP I will post it in big bold letters at the top.

Samillian - Okay thats fine but could you put a reason as for why not?

Cloak n'all - No my account isn't under a ban as I don't think I could still post if it was. Apparently people don't know the rules regarding botting so I will update my post so you guys can understand.

You do realize most IP address change every couple of days so when you permanently ban an IP an account could get banned for just being moved to a banned IP address. And without an appeals process you would lose some players and you would probably end up with a bad public image which ccp already has a problem with. Also ccp or the company they have overseeing the serenity server allow botting so it must not be all bad...

So for this post I am going to have to put you up with the first guy that posted in this thread and call you a moron. Have a good day and feel free to slam the door on the way out.

Any relaxation of the already overly soft and lenient system already in place will just send the wrong signals to EvEs botters.

Botters degrade the game by their presence, making a mockery of the efforts of those who do actually play the game as intended. On top of that anything that gives succour to the RMT should be stamped out with extreme prejudice.

Maybe that is an old fashioned and clichéd point of view but there you go, you asked.

I hope every permabanned botter has 500 PLEX and 100bn ISK on their account, just in case CCP ever has a dire need for "emergency resources" to cool an out-of-control economy with.

First off, this is what I think you are saying, but you go about it in a befuddling manner.




1.) Who would pay for 1 year of activity on a banned account? That makes no sense, unless the assets and characters on that account are worth quite a bit of value.

2.) Why? If the account was permabanned, then leave it permabanned. What are you trying to accomplish with this asinine exception to the rule?

At the end of the day, it sounds like you want to "limit" how much harm you can do to an account that is botting. It sounds like a very valuable account should have their punishment limited to a 1-yr-of-plex value lost and a 1-yr-account stasis period. I see no reason for this change.