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Varnir Penken
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-04-07 02:06:33 UTC
I have tried multiple times to solo sleeper sites in a C3...in a Tengu. Both in active and buffer, using the common fit suggested for C3 sites. This required a fleet of 4, still warping out to repair shields and cap. I could comfortably run the easier sites like the Fortifcation Frontier Strongholds solo but thats about it. My buffer had 129k ehp with almost 80% resists across the board...that being said tank wasn't the issue, cap is. From the looks of it at least 2-3 decent tanked Ravens is needed to easily handled C3 sites...is there something I'm missing here since I've had a lot of folk tell me a Tengu should be able to handle a C3 solo easily?
The Cue
Violence is the Answer
#2 - 2014-04-07 02:21:07 UTC
Which site is it that you're having issues running?
Varnir Penken
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-04-07 02:24:34 UTC
Outpost Frontier Strongholds, Solar Cells, and some of the data sites.
Scarlett LaBlanc
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-04-07 02:41:34 UTC
On the tengu you need the subsystem that gives 5% cap recharge per level.

When I go day tripping I can solo all the combat sites in C3 solo. Some warping out needed in the harder ones, but not that much.

For the data sites I take a partner in a proteus or loggie.

Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-04-07 03:09:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Derath Ellecon
Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:
On the tengu you need the subsystem that gives 5% cap recharge per level.

When I go day tripping I can solo all the combat sites in C3 solo. Some warping out needed in the harder ones, but not that much.

For the data sites I take a partner in a proteus or loggie.



Absolutely you don't need the regen sub. Not to mention it limits you to 5 launchers instead of 6.

Cap shouldn't be an issue. There isn't much neuting in C3 sites. And a Tengu's advantage is its range and speed. You should easily stay out of neut range

back in the day I ran C3 sites with dual tengu's, although each one could solo the site, I had 2 pilots and it went faster that way.

edit

And yea the harder data sites I would have to warp out once, but only until one BS was down.
TXG SYNC
Dad Jokes R Us
#6 - 2014-04-07 03:56:48 UTC
Some people just like to watch the world burn... and that's why you get terrible Tengu fits in the forums.

http://txgsync.wordpress.com/2014/01/04/more-solo-c3-strategic-cruisers/ . Proven, reliable, easy to fly, and cheap fits that favor tank over gank for the newbie C3 site-runner. You'll struggle a bit with the data & relic sites with any of these fits, but you'll handle any anomaly easily. Once you get better at site-running, you can often ditch the damage control, and if you have an alt or teammate with expanded probes you can increase your DPS with an extra launcher.

There is a reasonable argument to be made that the fits there sacrifice gank and quick site-running times for an expanded probe launcher. I find that when I am "truly solo", having expanded probes out enormously improves my ability to GTFO, get back to my POS, and refit for PvP when would-be gankers show up, but I'm kind of OCD that way and have yet to ever lose a PvE Legion despite running C3 sites for the better part of a year. Your mileage may vary, and the fit leaves lots of room for improvement.
The Cue
Violence is the Answer
#7 - 2014-04-07 05:39:33 UTC
Varnir Penken wrote:
Outpost Frontier Strongholds, Solar Cells, and some of the data sites.

OFS and Solar Cells are easily soloable so it's your fit or your skills.

TXG's fits are acceptable, make sure your skills are up to the challenge too.
Jackal Willow
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-04-07 18:17:33 UTC
I live in a C3, and solo all the sites in my Loki without issues. Sometimes have to burst tank the neut BS combos, but other than that I have no issues. I can run cap stable and full reps continuously.

Sorry I don't have my fitting at work with me. But I do have all lvl 5 skills and a mildly sexy deadspace (single pith B med shield booster) fit. no implants.

Data sites are also solo capable, but with more friends it makes the payout better since the timer goes into effect.

basic fit off the top of my head:

medium T2 guns
probe launcher

Pith-B medium shield
T2 shield booster
2x T2 invul fields
deadspace afterburner (nothing crazy)

Gyro x2
tracking
DCU

Rigs for Cap regeneration (1-T2, 2-T1 I think)

once again, just off the top of my head, but still nothing too special. Skills play a big part in your ability to run this simple setup.
TXG SYNC
Dad Jokes R Us
#9 - 2014-04-07 19:36:39 UTC
Jackal Willow wrote:
Skills play a big part in your ability to run this simple setup.


Super-important point. My C3 Anom-running Legion fit did terrible DPS when I first started flying it. I had all kinds of capacitor troubles, my tank barely sufficed against certain spawns (particularly if I botched the triggers), and it was deathly slow: about 20 minutes per Fortification Frontier Stronghold. These days I can clear each site in about half the time, I tank most waves without running the second repper (I'm considering dropping the second repper entirely to upgrade to just one deadspace repper), and my capacitor woes are history.

Your ability to put out damage rapidly in a T3 -- particularly vs. webbing Sleepers! -- is at least as important as your ability to tank it.
Jackal Willow
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-04-08 13:38:01 UTC
TXG SYNC wrote:
Jackal Willow wrote:
Skills play a big part in your ability to run this simple setup.


Super-important point. My C3 Anom-running Legion fit did terrible DPS when I first started flying it. I had all kinds of capacitor troubles, my tank barely sufficed against certain spawns (particularly if I botched the triggers), and it was deathly slow: about 20 minutes per Fortification Frontier Stronghold. These days I can clear each site in about half the time, I tank most waves without running the second repper (I'm considering dropping the second repper entirely to upgrade to just one deadspace repper), and my capacitor woes are history.

Your ability to put out damage rapidly in a T3 -- particularly vs. webbing Sleepers! -- is at least as important as your ability to tank it.



Correct. Your ship will do better the more skills you have. With that said my setup is so simple because I have all lvl 5 skills and just broke my 80 mil SP mark. So it is totally different if you are a new player starting off. All depends on what race you want to specialize in first.

For Tengu you are pretty much the same as myself with the Loki, Shield and Capacitor skills are your best friend to get you started, T2 heavy missiles of course. And don't forget the Caldari sub skills for the T3, lvl 5 on all of those makes a difference as well.