Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I have an honest question in the unlikely event that any dev response ever gets made here. How is the Hulk's pitiful crystal-carrying capacity linked to it being useful only in large fleets? I honestly don't see much of a connection between the two things.

Don't know if this was answered already, but currently, skiffs and procurers have 200% role bonus to ore yield. After this, you have the procurer and skiff listed as +150%. Isn't this a nerf, or is the increased speed of mining enough to make up for that 50% loss?

Also noticed the retriever dropped to +25% instead of it's current 50%...

Covetor's and Hulk aren't getting any role bonuses at all...

Might be easier to see how this all works out if you put up a comparison chart based on m3 instead of 'strip miners'...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1os33ZVJKyRfG3GY3taX0Se25dlTbNOoCLHprP7WoRKQ/edit#gid=205270633

You can compare the m3/minute of each of the barges at max skill, max yield fit. . (Ignoring player skills other than ship skills. but those will apply evenly)

This drone damage is not useless in 0.0, the rats there do more damage than in hi-sec and therefore need to be killed faster.



I still use the covetor, haul with an alt which can't mine, I get awesome yield. Rocks in 0.0 are bigger than in empire space, you can actually sit around and nom on one rock alone for a decent amount of time. With a mining fleet/other guys in the belt to shoot rats --> moneytrain


Why would you want a Mining Carrier, since you obivously don't live in null. And even if, you can't take anything that slow into the belts/anoms, because it is a gank waiting to happen...

What is it with eveyone and the mining crystals? take interceptor, warp into nom--> bookmark rock (s), look what's around it --> change into barge/exhumer, put in the crystals needed ( 3 ores are enough for one whole afternoon) and mine away.

There are people complaining, that mining in Null requires more crystals, which I can't really believe, because one usually only mines a) Merc, b) specific ores for specific Minerals, and you already know which ones you need or c) you mine for money and then you only need a max of 3 crystal sets.
Okay, a Crystal Bay would make things a little less complicated and you could take more Crystals for you, so you can be more lazy. But my point on this would be, that it would simply make sense lore-wise. The Hulk is (supposed to be) the king of the yield. With the new changes he will burn through the crystals even faster and therefore needs to have more crystals at his convenience. On the other hand : The Hulk is a fleet-ship. It should be flown in a fleet for support and protection. In Hi-Sec that's no problem, with an Orca in the belt and bam--> Crystal support. In Null you can have people drop a can beside your ship, if you don't want an Orca with you in the belt. Though I would also vote for a crystal bay, since I'm a lazy ass.

Now to the actual changes: I fiddled around with the current minin ships and made some fits, as well as yield as for tank. Surprise: Hulk comes out on top no matter what. HY followed by HT have the highest yield. (though there's already a 100 m³/min difference between the two) with a "decent" tank against faction ( in this case sansha) of 27.6k for the HT and 17.5k for HY. Compared to this, even if you yield-fit the Skiff, you'll get a top yield of 1230m³/min, ~200m³ less than the tank fitted Hulk. As for the procurer: You can currently push it to 94.9k EHP(again: specific tank, null and such ;) - fiddling with it really quick gets me 89.7k EHP against uniformal damage) which is a ****ing battleship tank. (Not to mention the 137k EHP on the skiff...) Dropping one med slot now nets you... 79.1k EHP. wow. Buhu. My ship got nerfed. btw: you can use that setup with 2 MLU IIs. which would currently get you 1170m³/min. Yeah, really bad that change.

As for the Mack/Ret: If you don't want to see those used as much/ see more variety, take one lo slot off them. add more CPU/PG though, I really struggle fitting them, even with all Vs in pyfa.

Another issue is the cap. While already underwheling on the Barges (you can't activate all 3 mining lasers at the same time on the covetor and retriever is equally bad), with the new changes to cycle time, you NEED to upgrade it. Please upgrade it at least so you can use all mining lasers at the same time.

And the Hulk needs more love ... and the survey scanner, but I think that has been repeated enough through the entire threat^^

I would really like to see a Dev weigh in on this, what the current thoughts are, if you want to reconsider stuff, what you are currently thinking about.
cheers

New hulk sig radius is an amazingly huge nerf for ability to tank rats in 0.0. Really that determined to make it undesirable in 0.0 too now?

Let us just hope the 2.1% here and ~10% they nibble off our income potential over *there*, are subject to stacking penalties...

Hell, just use regular mining drones with bonuses to mining amount and drone speed. might even be a decent bonus to give to the hulk.

Maybe you could update the Mastries Tab while you are @ it. The LVL V specs are ridiculous on the different ORE vessels.

Now you can:

Update: Highwall MX-100X and Michi's Excavation Augmentor added. Cycle times with Orca/Rorqual still only stated for reference (with maximum achievable cycle time reduction)
Update #2: Fleet Boost ships, skills, modules added (Mining Foreman Mindlink was there already)

The math should be right.

Nope.

both the ret and the mac should have their tanks reduced to the same as the covetor and hulk. This would give people a reason to fly the procurer and skiff solo in high sec and reduce the drawbacks of the cov and hulk somewhat.