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New Grief Play Rules?

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Grinder221
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-04-07 23:15:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Grinder221
"At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account. "

This line could mean anyone CapFliping in High Sec Space is at risk of warning or ban

https://community.eveonline.com/support/knowledge-base/article.aspx?articleId=336

"Doing the same in the systems the Blood Stained Stars epic arc takes you through is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated."

Blood stained Stars or the Epic Arc Takes you to many systems
- Tar
- Harerget
- Hatakani
- Hek
- Lustrevik
- Tanoo
- Lisudeh
- Sosh
- Manarq
- Chainelant
- Arnon

Does this mean that Can baiting in all the listed systems is now Grief Play?

Or does it just mean that CCP is now protecting All players no matter their age in a rookie system ?

CCP has said in the past that Only Rookies Or new players are safe in a rookie system.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120647&p=9 ( post 159 )




Plz keep on topic

What do the Changes mean

Who is Protected by them ?

Whats no longer allowed that once was allowed?
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#2 - 2014-04-07 23:17:44 UTC
It means this: "Doing the same in the systems the Blood Stained Stars epic arc takes you through is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated."

No more. No less.

Mr Epeen Cool
Tesco Ergo Sum
#3 - 2014-04-07 23:18:59 UTC
Context, previous sentence mentioned new players only.

You're looking for a problem that doesn't exist.
Vigroth
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-04-07 23:21:06 UTC
Tesco Ergo Sum wrote:
Context, previous sentence mentioned new players only.

You're looking for a problem that doesn't exist.



It's actually implied to any character of any age now and not just new players.
Marsha Mallow
#5 - 2014-04-07 23:22:21 UTC
Next time just go do it, THEN ask. Fgs. Now I can't do it either because :big mouth:

Not sure how the "I was only checking" argument will work, but post here and let us know how you get on.

I've always personally wanted to shriek at a GM "That's not a rule, you just made that up!"

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
PrettyMuch Always Right
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-04-07 23:23:11 UTC
People can flipping your items needed to complete Epic Arc missions is actually a problem. You have no solution besides petitioning for the mission to be restarted.

Someone will call this working as intended, at which point we can all call him an idiot for saying a mechanic where you have to contact a GM every time to reset your entire mission is working as intended.
Grinder221
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-04-07 23:27:43 UTC
PrettyMuch Always Right wrote:
People can flipping your items needed to complete Epic Arc missions is actually a problem. You have no solution besides petitioning for the mission to be restarted.

Someone will call this working as intended, at which point we can all call him an idiot for saying a mechanic where you have to contact a GM every time to reset your entire mission is working as intended.



You don't you can dock cancel the mission and start it over at anytime
Tesco Ergo Sum
#8 - 2014-04-07 23:29:25 UTC
I'll do it in my 76 billion Machariel:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=335438

then petition each time it gets blown up.

Wonder how many times a day I can repeat?

Content creation at it's finest and everyone is happy!
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-04-07 23:29:59 UTC
Not sure of the issue.

Only a new player would accidentally flip a yellow can and be vulnerable.

Anyone else would either:
1, ignore the can entirely,
2. flip deliberately in a disposable PvP ship and wait for the fight (happens in Hek all the time)
or
3. cargo scan and if the goodies are worth it grab an intie, flip the can and scarper out of system and park in a safe spot till the timer expires.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-04-07 23:32:36 UTC
I think it's cool. I started in 2003 and didn't have to put up with all the high SP losers people have to put up with today likely would have not stayed and contributed the thousands of dollars I have since then . They like to call it content creation buts it's actually just anti-social deliberate harassment of players that contributes nothing to the EvE community.

I'm hardly a carebear either, spent most of my time killing people in high sec wars but they always had a way out before the wars started.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Vigroth
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-04-07 23:34:22 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Not sure of the issue.

Only a new player would accidentally flip a yellow can and be vulnerable.

Anyone else would either:
1, ignore the can entirely,
2. flip deliberately in a disposable PvP ship and wait for the fight (happens in Hek all the time)
or
3. cargo scan and if the goodies are worth it grab an intie, flip the can and scarper out of system and park in a safe spot till the timer expires.



If its the mission loot required to complete a mission then they are left with the choice to either engage or cancel the mission.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#12 - 2014-04-07 23:35:54 UTC
Vigroth wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Not sure of the issue.

Only a new player would accidentally flip a yellow can and be vulnerable.

Anyone else would either:
1, ignore the can entirely,
2. flip deliberately in a disposable PvP ship and wait for the fight (happens in Hek all the time)
or
3. cargo scan and if the goodies are worth it grab an intie, flip the can and scarper out of system and park in a safe spot till the timer expires.



If its the mission loot required to complete a mission then they are left with the choice to either engage or cancel the mission.


And? Seriously, what's the problem?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#13 - 2014-04-07 23:39:17 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Vigroth wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Not sure of the issue.

Only a new player would accidentally flip a yellow can and be vulnerable.

Anyone else would either:
1, ignore the can entirely,
2. flip deliberately in a disposable PvP ship and wait for the fight (happens in Hek all the time)
or
3. cargo scan and if the goodies are worth it grab an intie, flip the can and scarper out of system and park in a safe spot till the timer expires.



If its the mission loot required to complete a mission then they are left with the choice to either engage or cancel the mission.


And? Seriously, what's the problem?


The problem, as I see it, is a lot of people seem angry that CCP is trying to raise the retention rates of new players.

Mr Epeen Cool
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2014-04-07 23:48:06 UTC
Vigroth wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Not sure of the issue.

Only a new player would accidentally flip a yellow can and be vulnerable.

Anyone else would either:
1, ignore the can entirely,
2. flip deliberately in a disposable PvP ship and wait for the fight (happens in Hek all the time)
or
3. cargo scan and if the goodies are worth it grab an intie, flip the can and scarper out of system and park in a safe spot till the timer expires.



If its the mission loot required to complete a mission then they are left with the choice to either engage or cancel the mission.



The rule referred to by the OP is banning dropping yellow containers to bait people into going suspect.


Stealing mission loot and ransoming it back (regardless of whether the real intention is griefing noobs for tears or not) is perfectly fine according to the rules.

All you need to be "legal" is some pretense of it being to make money. The New Order "permits" are like this, because they do actually make money from permits, they have a loop hole that lets them grief new miners without getting banned providing they do not harass the same guy continually and make some attempt to "advertise" their rules.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#15 - 2014-04-07 23:50:49 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Vigroth wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Not sure of the issue.

Only a new player would accidentally flip a yellow can and be vulnerable.

Anyone else would either:
1, ignore the can entirely,
2. flip deliberately in a disposable PvP ship and wait for the fight (happens in Hek all the time)
or
3. cargo scan and if the goodies are worth it grab an intie, flip the can and scarper out of system and park in a safe spot till the timer expires.



If its the mission loot required to complete a mission then they are left with the choice to either engage or cancel the mission.


And? Seriously, what's the problem?


The problem, as I see it, is a lot of people seem angry that CCP is trying to raise the retention rates of new players.

Mr Epeen Cool


Heaven forbid CCP not kowtow to the "high sec content creators", even when it conflicts with this silly idea of a successful business model. Didn't you know that griefers are the most important players in the game (next to the null sec cartel leaders), and create more interesting game play than anyone else, and by tightening the reins on them, Eve will be destroyed?
Vigroth
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-04-07 23:53:54 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Vigroth wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Not sure of the issue.

Only a new player would accidentally flip a yellow can and be vulnerable.

Anyone else would either:
1, ignore the can entirely,
2. flip deliberately in a disposable PvP ship and wait for the fight (happens in Hek all the time)
or
3. cargo scan and if the goodies are worth it grab an intie, flip the can and scarper out of system and park in a safe spot till the timer expires.



If its the mission loot required to complete a mission then they are left with the choice to either engage or cancel the mission.



The rule referred to by the OP is banning dropping yellow containers to bait people into going suspect.


Stealing mission loot and ransoming it back (regardless of whether the real intention is griefing noobs for tears or not) is perfectly fine according to the rules.

All you need to be "legal" is some pretense of it being to make money. The New Order "permits" are like this, because they do actually make money from permits, they have a loop hole that lets them grief new miners without getting banned providing they do not harass the same guy continually and make some attempt to "advertise" their rules.




The new rule is referring to the systems in the SOE epic arc for any age player, not just rookies. Many of the systems involved in the arc are not rookie systems, but you can get in trouble for stealing mission items even if they are not a rookie anymore. CCP has stated in another thread that non rookie players are free game.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-04-07 23:58:45 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Vigroth wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Vigroth wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Not sure of the issue.

Only a new player would accidentally flip a yellow can and be vulnerable.

Anyone else would either:
1, ignore the can entirely,
2. flip deliberately in a disposable PvP ship and wait for the fight (happens in Hek all the time)
or
3. cargo scan and if the goodies are worth it grab an intie, flip the can and scarper out of system and park in a safe spot till the timer expires.



If its the mission loot required to complete a mission then they are left with the choice to either engage or cancel the mission.



The rule referred to by the OP is banning dropping yellow containers to bait people into going suspect.


Stealing mission loot and ransoming it back (regardless of whether the real intention is griefing noobs for tears or not) is perfectly fine according to the rules.

All you need to be "legal" is some pretense of it being to make money. The New Order "permits" are like this, because they do actually make money from permits, they have a loop hole that lets them grief new miners without getting banned providing they do not harass the same guy continually and make some attempt to "advertise" their rules.




The new rule is referring to the systems in the SOE epic arc for any age player, not just rookies. Many of the systems involved in the arc are not rookie systems, but you can get in trouble for stealing mission items even if they are not a rookie anymore. CCP has stated in another thread that non rookie players are free game.



As far as I know stealing mission items for ransom is not regarded as griefing and never has been in any system, not even a noob school system.*Snip* Please refrain from discussing warnings and bans. ISD Ezwal.
Tesco Ergo Sum
#18 - 2014-04-08 00:08:16 UTC
WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE SANDBOX...

HighSec "content creators", looking for every loophole since 2003.

Go on, try it, let us know how you go Evil
Marsha Mallow
#19 - 2014-04-08 00:08:41 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Heaven forbid CCP not kowtow to the "high sec content creators", even when it conflicts with this silly idea of a successful business model. Didn't you know that griefers are the most important players in the game (next to the null sec cartel leaders), and create more interesting game play than anyone else, and by tightening the reins on them, Eve will be destroyed?

Conflict is the business model.

The insincere kowtows are directed at your sort so the rest of us "despicable" people can gobble up your money, time and outrage. Sowwy.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Vigroth
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-04-08 00:16:45 UTC
""If your idea of EvE Online is baiting newbs into easy ganks I suggest it's not them playing the wrong game. It's you. Try actual PvP.""


No one said anything about baiting noobs, its the non rookie players who are also getting the protection even in non rookie systems.
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