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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#2121 - 2014-04-07 14:14:31 UTC
Loko Crackhead wrote:
Damn you figured me out. I guess you win at internetz. Cry
I already answered all your points but I can't repeat myself every time you use different words to say the same thing.

Enjoy EVE!
lol, you didn't answer ****. You repeated your opinion and totally ignored the questions. For example:
Should DJ FunkyBacon be banned for using out of game comms to get people to sing and do other silly things (such as the bacon fat incident which resulted in a hospital trip for the victim)?

I'm not asking you trick questions, I legitimately can't understand how you are making your distinctions. You seem to just arbitrarily be picking Erotica 1 out as the only person ever to have put themselves into a situation where they take an in-game action out of game. You've already stated that the only thing you've listened to is one recording and that you made your mind up entirely from that, and you have the nerve to speak about common sense? It's clear you have a stick up your ass about something, and since Erotica 1 is a scammer and you are hiding out on an alt, you being a scam victim the most likely reason.

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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#2122 - 2014-04-07 14:19:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
This is pretty damning...

"Sohkar rejects the claims that he was tortured. He got angry. He points out that after Ripard's blog post, he tried to reach out and talk to Ripard and sent him an eve-mail. Ripard has still not responded to him after several days. It's thought at this point that Ripard Teg doesn't care about the victim at all, and is simply trying to push his anti scamming agenda with inflamatory language and rhetoric, and trying to put out the worst examples he can with no regard to how this will affect even the victims involved."

Are we supposed to believe (in addition to all the other part-time psychologists claims about Sohkar being 'unable to disengage' and 'captive' to Erotica 1's charms), that Sohkar is now a victim of Stokholm Syndrome?

Occam's Razor tells us something different...

There was no torture. Ripard Teg spawned a witch hunt against a 'mean' player. CCP banned him in an excessive move to protect their brand, and in so doing have laid waste to any marketing claims of 'be the villain', 'HTFU' and 'sandbox' in many veterans eyes.

The sandbox actually appears now to have CCP snipers on the walls, and players with cachet', an axe to grind and a soapbox are now revealed as being able to call in targeted strikes from them against other players. Ripard Teg lazed the target, CCP pulled the trigger (while refusing to acknowledge a shot was even fired).

tldr;
CCP has every right to ban who they want ultimately, but don't then expect us not to laugh our asses off the next time Guard puts together a 'HTFU' video, or a 'Be the villain' graphic appears on an EvE website...

F

Would you like to know more?
Salvos Rhoska
#2123 - 2014-04-07 14:36:36 UTC
If you don't like it, you can leave.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#2124 - 2014-04-07 14:39:02 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
If you don't like it, you can leave.


If you love it, get back in the pit :)

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#2125 - 2014-04-07 14:51:04 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
If you don't like it, you can leave.

I'm psychologically unable to disengage. Too much sunk cost and emotional pressure and other, science-sounding things. Pirate

While having no practical impact, i *was* curious as to what a poll would show on this issue.

Results so far:

RE: \\\"Bonus Room,\\\" who earned a ban?
Total votes: 73
Erotica 1 (out of game harassment) (33 votes, 45%)
sohkar (racial slurs/death threats) (3 votes, 4%)
Erotica 1 and Ripard Teg (out of game harassment) (5 votes, 7%)
None of them (non-EVE internet is not CCP\'s biz) (6 votes, 8%)
None of them (Ripard/Erotica were just playing the meta and sohkar apologized) (16 votes, 22%)
All three of them (10 votes, 14%)

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
Loko Crackhead
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2126 - 2014-04-07 14:51:44 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Loko Crackhead wrote:
Damn you figured me out. I guess you win at internetz. Cry
I already answered all your points but I can't repeat myself every time you use different words to say the same thing.

Enjoy EVE!
lol, you didn't answer ****. You repeated your opinion and totally ignored the questions. For example:
Should DJ FunkyBacon be banned for using out of game comms to get people to sing and do other silly things (such as the bacon fat incident which resulted in a hospital trip for the victim)?

I'm not asking you trick questions, I legitimately can't understand how you are making your distinctions. You seem to just arbitrarily be picking Erotica 1 out as the only person ever to have put themselves into a situation where they take an in-game action out of game. You've already stated that the only thing you've listened to is one recording and that you made your mind up entirely from that, and you have the nerve to speak about common sense? It's clear you have a stick up your ass about something, and since Erotica 1 is a scammer and you are hiding out on an alt, you being a scam victim the most likely reason.


Rigged, malformed questions I don't answer. Why aren't all the thieves in jail? Why don't all people believe in Iehova? Why people don't recognize false patterns from true ones?
I listened to the one piece of evidence that wasn't politicized. The raw piece of crap that some people do in the name of fun and trust me, if you are honest, that's the only one that matters in judging the situation presented. I'm not a kid so you, Erotica or that fool Shokar tell me what to believe. But hey, keep up the fight don't let one failure to dishearten you Lol.

How do you know I'm on an alt? You took interest in that. Why? I didn't check you in game! Does this answer your question why I'm using an alt? If not, seek help, as I won't spell it out for you.
Don't try your lame mind tricks dude, it won't work Cool.
Tesco Ergo Sum
#2127 - 2014-04-07 14:56:02 UTC
This thread continues to deliver.

Just remember folks if you make it to 200 pages before the end of the elections CCP WILL restore the account of Erotica 1, and give him a seat on the CSM
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#2128 - 2014-04-07 15:36:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Loko Crackhead wrote:
Rigged, malformed questions I don't answer. Why aren't all the thieves in jail? Why don't all people believe in Iehova? Why people don't recognize false patterns from true ones?
Nothing rigged at all. You seem to be fine with the idea that cCP selected a single individual for punishment while others have received none, and while victims who previously have reported far worse out of game harassment have been told explicitly that CCP do nto deal with third part comms. At all. Ever.

Loko Crackhead wrote:
I listened to the one piece of evidence that wasn't politicized. The raw piece of crap that some people do in the name of fun and trust me, if you are honest, that's the only one that matters in judging the situation presented. I'm not a kid so you, Erotica or that fool Shokar tell me what to believe. But hey, keep up the fight don't let one failure to dishearten you Lol.
No, that's not the only piece of evidence that matters. Alongside that, chat logs from the text chats that were happening at the same time matter too. And the suggestion that the testimonies of the victim and the perpetrator is not relevant is ludicrous. If you aren't a kid, then surely you must understand the reason that all of the facts need to be looked at in full, not just a selective few. From the recording only, all you hear is some guys talking about some contracts, asking for songs and text reading, then another guy and his wife flying off the handle and throwing out racial abuse and threats. Then again, since the reason people listened to it anyway is that it was listed on an incredibly biased blog post from Ripard Teg tells me you've at least read that too.

Loko Crackhead wrote:
How do you know I'm on an alt? You took interest in that. Why? I didn't check you in game! Does this answer your question why I'm using an alt? If not, seek help, as I won't spell it out for you.
Don't try your lame mind tricks dude, it won't work Cool.
I, unlike you, like to source as much information as I can about a subject, including the people discussing it. In looking through your older posts, I came across you stating this was an alt. I tend to find people who post from alts lack conviction, and will more often than not argue for the sake of arguing, since it has no repercussions. People that believe what they are saying will stand behind their words, not hide behind anonymity.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#2129 - 2014-04-07 15:43:34 UTC
Tesco Ergo Sum wrote:
This thread continues to deliver.

Just remember folks if you make it to 200 pages before the end of the elections CCP WILL restore the account of Erotica 1, and give him a seat on the CSM
It only took 400 pages and a corrupt CSM member with a hate campaign to ban him, so that's not too big a stretch to believe. Although I'm not convinced CCP would put anyone that was so pro-sandbox on the CSM. More likely they're going to put more P2W types on there. After last years financial report and the race to get more income sources in this year, it wouldn't be a surprise next step.

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Loko Crackhead
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2130 - 2014-04-07 16:25:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Loko Crackhead
Lucas Kell wrote:
Nothing rigged at all. You seem to be fine with the idea that cCP selected a single individual for punishment while others have received none, and while victims who previously have reported far worse out of game harassment have been told explicitly that CCP do nto deal with third part comms. At all. Ever.


I don't judge people on what others did or didn't do. Your questions about other people breaking your boundaries should be address to CCP as I can't answer them and I'm not willing to use them as precedents when judging this case. If what you are saying is right then CCP was light on the ban hammer IMHO.

Lucas Kell wrote:
No, that's not the only piece of evidence that matters. Alongside that, chat logs from the text chats that were happening at the same time matter too. And the suggestion that the testimonies of the victim and the perpetrator is not relevant is ludicrous. If you aren't a kid, then surely you must understand the reason that all of the facts need to be looked at in full, not just a selective few. From the recording only, all you hear is some guys talking about some contracts, asking for songs and text reading, then another guy and his wife flying off the handle and throwing out racial abuse and threats. Then again, since the reason people listened to it anyway is that it was listed on an incredibly biased blog post from Ripard Teg tells me you've at least read that too.


Yes it is. Everything else it's just down playing the event in order to escape consequences from both sides. Why waste time with dishonest evidence? Keep saying Ripard Teg name hoping his voice will magically appear on the bonus room podcast. I've read Teg's blog up to the point he started real life assumptions base on a in-game event, then I realized that I don't need his opinion on the matter when I can form one myself. I can't stress this enough, I don't care about politics and I don't care about Erotica, one way or the other. From my part they can lift the ban as long as they come across as merciful not as endorsing the behavior.

Lucas Kell wrote:
I, unlike you, like to source s much information as I can about a subject, including the people discussing it. In looking through your older posts, I came across you stating this was an alt. I tend to find people who post from alts lack conviction, and will more often than not argue for the sake of arguing, since it has no repercussions. People that believe what they are saying will stand behind their words, not hide behind anonymity.


You, unlike me, have too much time at hand and you are waisting it smelling a pile of bull-crap and explaining its flavors to anyone listening. Sorry if that's too graphic Twisted.
I'm not going to disclosure my identity to people that will go at those lengths to ruin other people internet space ships fun. It would be asking for trouble, call me chicken if it will make you feel better.
Thank you for staying civil.
Over and out.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#2131 - 2014-04-07 16:43:49 UTC
Ive noticed that a goodly number of folk (who have varying opinions Id like to add) who, when presented with a "put up or shut up" confrontation regarding the evidence to support their position have resorted to swearing and then leave.

This is the worst debating club Ive been in this school year

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2132 - 2014-04-07 16:49:20 UTC
Loko Crackhead wrote:
I'm not going to disclosure my identity to people that will go at those lengths to ruin other people internet space ships fun. It would be asking for trouble, call me chicken if it will make you feel better.

He might drag you into the bonus round... I hear it's like a roach motel. You check in but don't check out.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#2133 - 2014-04-07 16:50:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Loko Crackhead wrote:
I don't judge people on what others did or didn't do. Your questions about other people breaking your boundaries should be address to CCP as I can't answer them and I'm not willing to use them as precedents when judging this case. If what you are saying is right then CCP was light on the ban hammer.
So to be clear, you don;t make a judgement in absence of complete evidence, though you are happy to judge Erotica 1 based off of a single piece of same. Good to know. Let's ask this instead. Do you think it is OK (and by OK I don't mean permitted, they are free to do what they do, i mean OK as in "the right thing to do") for CCP to selectively enforce their rules having previously stated to other victims of far worse out of game harassment that they do not deal with out of game issues?

Loko Crackhead wrote:
Yes it is. Everything else it's just down playing the event in order to escape consequences from both sides. Why waste time with dishonest evidence? Keep saying Ripard Teg name hoping his voice will magically appear on the bonus room podcast. I've read Teg's blog up to the point he started real life assumptions base on a in-game event, then I realized that I don't need his opinion on the matter when I can form one myself. I can't stress this enough, I don't care about politics and I don't care about Erotica, one way or the other. From my part they can lift the ban as long as they come across as merciful not as endorsing the behavior.
It's not dishonest evidence, it's complete evidence. If you take only a single piece of evidence, you are not objectively analysing the situation. And again I ask WHAT behaviour? What is it about asking someone to sing and read that you find distasteful? Note, he was not forced into anything, he chose to do that, and if you'd bother to read the victims point of view you would know that he has stated that more than once.

I mean ask yourself this. Why do you care if people ask other people to sing songs if you don't give a flying **** about the opinion of the victim?


Loko Crackhead wrote:
You, unlike me, have too much time at hand and you are waisting it smelling a pile of bull-crap and explaining its flavors to anyone listening. Sorry if that's too graphic Twisted.
I'm not going to disclosure my identity to people that will go at those lengths to ruin other people internet space ships fun. It would be asking for trouble, call me chicken if it will make you feel better.
Thank you for staying civil.
Over and out.
It really doesn't take me much time to read and respond to these things and I tend to listen to the podcasts while I work. I find listening to all of the people involved, then weighing up the evidence, tends to be the best way of making objective rational judgements. I don't think that it was particularly nice what Erotica 1 and co did, but I certainly don;t see how it's even close to as bad as some other behaviours I've seen and with CCPs explicitly ruling that third party comms are not in their jurisdiction, this action seems out of line. It seems more so when you consider how many people were involved in this incident and see only one ban dished out.

The only difference between this and the same issue last month, or the other recording towards the end of last year or sever others other the past year is this is the only one where a CSM member personally attacked Erotica 1. That leads me to believe that if a person with enough publicity and standing pushes an agenda CCP will give in, which saddens me some.

And to be clear, you are not a chicken for wanting your anonymity, I get your reasoning, but if you felt strongly on a matter, possibly repercussions shouldn't matter to you and should in fact strengthen your resolve. It's too easy for someone with anonymity to categorically state their case as they can at any point simply step away from that opinion and their main can state the opposite or sit on the fence, so i tend to take their opinions with a pinch of salt.

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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2134 - 2014-04-07 16:54:41 UTC  |  Edited by: IIshira
The best way to fix this is when election time comes up use your vote to express your opinion on how the game should be. If you feel the attack on E1 by this CSM was deserved reelect him. If not give him the boot!

Edit: Just to be clear I think E1(the in game pilot not the RL person) is a very bad pilot. I don't think I'm allowed to use the appropriate adjectives. I do think he shouldn't be punished for being such a bad pilot since this is encouraged by CCP
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#2135 - 2014-04-07 16:58:13 UTC
IIshira wrote:
The best way to fix this is when election time comes up use your vote to express your opinion on how the game should be. If you feel the attack on E1 by this CSM was deserved reelect him. If not give him the boot!


Hes stated hes not running this year

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2136 - 2014-04-07 17:01:23 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
IIshira wrote:
The best way to fix this is when election time comes up use your vote to express your opinion on how the game should be. If you feel the attack on E1 by this CSM was deserved reelect him. If not give him the boot!


Hes stated hes not running this year

I wonder why lol
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#2137 - 2014-04-07 18:10:13 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
IIshira wrote:
The best way to fix this is when election time comes up use your vote to express your opinion on how the game should be. If you feel the attack on E1 by this CSM was deserved reelect him. If not give him the boot!
Hes stated hes not running this year
I wonder why lol
I'm sure if he ran again CCP would have something to say about it. Since his method of bringing E1 to their attention was "Make the hate campaign as public as possible so CCP has no choice but to react" I doubt very much they would be happy with him continuing. CSM members are supposed to be responsible and set an example. Whether you agree with their in game policies or not, their out of game behaviour should be professional.

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Ecrir Twy'Lar
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2138 - 2014-04-07 18:13:05 UTC
Here's my opinion. Scam, gank, whatever all you want within the game. Everyone knows that EVE allows such things. If you fall for it, chalk it off as a learning experience and move on. If you can't deal with it, find another game. I hear Star Citizen is going to be pretty popular.

However... When you take someone out of game into online voice chat and you F!@# with their head and involve their family... Then that's crossing the line. Obviously CCP agrees. You can say that the victim was naive or whatever. But the real problem is that this guy wasn't just scamming, he was enjoying causing another person mental anguish outside of the game and if you think that is ok, you are scum.

I keep hearing "The death of the Sandbox!" That's a load of crap. You can still do everything you could do before within the game. Scammers are just butt hurt over the fact that someone got their hands slapped. In the mean time I'll check into this thread once in a while and enjoy the tears.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#2139 - 2014-04-07 18:14:33 UTC
Ecrir Twy'Lar wrote:
if you think that is ok, you are scum


I and all PsyOps operatives are scum.

We get it.

Move along.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2140 - 2014-04-07 18:17:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
I just thought of something funny:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=335085

If everything you do has to have profit or its harassment, is popping pods in high sec harassment (unless they have a bounty, and if they do just add a bounty to them lol)

Ramona McCandless wrote:


Both have been punished


Sohkar got punished?

Link?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.