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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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CYL0N72
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2081 - 2014-04-04 15:05:54 UTC
"......if you have any questions regarding this statement, please feel free to pose them in this thread,...."

If I voluntarily chose to "leave the virtual world" by using
TeamSpeak, and voluntarily stay connected to said TeamSpeak, but decide I
am being harassed while voluntarily staying on said Teamspeak, who is
liable for said actions ?
Who would be "punished" by CCP, if anyone ?
Me
(the harasser), the person hosting said TS, the people paying for said
TS server, all the people talking on said TS, or the TS company itself ? ??????

Considering the fact that all the actions by all of the above parties
are voluntary, seems no one should be punished.

Some people actually pay RL cash to be abused in RL. 8/
Anna Ohu
x-Raine-x
#2082 - 2014-04-04 16:44:03 UTC
I have a different view than most have voiced: the player that should be banned is the "victim". The ISK doubling is gambling, if a player has a problem with the loss of all virtual goods and ISK to that extent that he displayed, then that player has a problem and should not be allowed into the game, a casino would ban any player that reacted in such a way to a loss. It's like not serving an alcoholic. If you remove the vulnerable from the threat then "bad guys" can not do as much damage. AND BEFORE everyone goes up in arms, limiting the vulnerable players is already being done by age restrictions requiring account holders to be an adult or the account to be administered by an adult. I see both sides as being VERY SICK. Erotica1 dangles a carrot, if you do not have the ability to resist the carrot, you shouldn't be here.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#2083 - 2014-04-04 17:00:29 UTC
Anna Ohu wrote:
I see both sides as being VERY SICK


Hmm. Punish the sick.

I see it more as both are stupid in their own ways, E for pushing his luck, and Sohkar for doing it in the first place.

Sohkar was punished for his stupidity, as was E1, and so in my opinion it is done, whether I agree with the harshness of the punishments or not.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
White Pauder
Doomheim
#2084 - 2014-04-04 19:04:27 UTC
CCP Falcon "you can continue to scam and rip eachother off as much as you like"


Yeah untill some noobie crys and files a ticket saying that they were verbally abused in comms for their mistake and then you ban the scammer. Yeah that wont happen will it.................
Tesco Ergo Sum
#2085 - 2014-04-04 19:32:34 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
With regard to the Ero 'saga'

I read on, I think it was Eurogamer, 'nerd world stuff'


"Nerd World problems" sums it up pretty well, a minor (but important) twist on the usual statement...
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2086 - 2014-04-04 21:59:36 UTC
Quote:
Read this thread and discuss it there.

Policy hasn't changed, and you can continue to scam and rip eachother off as much as you like.


Hey Falcon, if I did what E1 did, but didnt use TS, I assume that would be fine as theres no longer an out of game element?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Asia Leigh
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#2087 - 2014-04-05 03:31:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Asia Leigh
Liese Shardani wrote:
When Erotica posted the link to the Sohkar Bonus Round on the EVE forums in late February, that cleared up any question of the audio possibly being doctored to frame him.

It also brought an incident that occurred on a third party platform here onto CCP property. His posting of it, since he was the instigator, could be seen as further harassment of the victim.


And he didn't get banned until the end of march, Why again?
Apply the damn rules equally >.>
Lady Areola Fappington
#2088 - 2014-04-05 05:55:10 UTC
Taking into account t20, Greed is Good, Mittens, and now Ero, I think it's pretty safe to say one of the unwritten rules of EVE is "Cause CCP embarrassment, expect bans."

t20=whistleblower got banned
Greed is Good=whistleblower got banned
Mittens=Made an ass of himself in public, made the news, got banned
Ero=Made an ass of himself, got published on a CSM blog, made news, got banned

If this teaches us anything, it's to make sure anything we do off-EVE, related TO EVE, cannot be linked to accounts we care about.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#2089 - 2014-04-05 09:23:49 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Taking into account t20, Greed is Good, Mittens, and now Ero, I think it's pretty safe to say one of the unwritten rules of EVE is "Cause CCP embarrassment, expect bans."


Yeah, pretty much this

Not sure how anyone missed it

**** em off, lose your ball, simples

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Snupe Doggur
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2090 - 2014-04-05 13:04:07 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Taking into account t20, Greed is Good, Mittens, and now Ero, I think it's pretty safe to say one of the unwritten rules of EVE is "Cause CCP embarrassment, expect bans."


In this, of course, CCP is completely unlike every other game, ever. Roll

CCP Falcon wrote:
...CCP strongly disapproves of clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment against our players in the outside world...real life harassment is morally reprehensible, and verifiable examples of such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against game accounts...We will continue to monitor and evaluate claims of harassment based on our policies and acceptable standards of behavior....


Some fools fall for scams, but epic fools scam themselves right into oncoming banbuses.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2091 - 2014-04-05 13:05:16 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Taking into account t20, Greed is Good, Mittens, and now Ero, I think it's pretty safe to say one of the unwritten rules of EVE is "Cause CCP embarrassment, expect bans."

t20=whistleblower got banned
Greed is Good=whistleblower got banned
Mittens=Made an ass of himself in public, made the news, got banned
Ero=Made an ass of himself, got published on a CSM blog, made news, got banned

If this teaches us anything, it's to make sure anything we do off-EVE, related TO EVE, cannot be linked to accounts we care about.

This is very true. I doubt they permabanned E1 because even mittens only got 30 days. That was for something clearly out of game and much worse!
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#2092 - 2014-04-05 13:55:42 UTC
Can someone be an actual man and (whether they feel it or not) admit defeat and say sorry?

Seriously Evil

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#2093 - 2014-04-05 13:58:47 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them.

The Rules:
9. Posting of private CCP communication is prohibited.

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11. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.

The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a petition under the Community & Forums Category.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#2094 - 2014-04-05 14:06:13 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Can someone be an actual man and (whether they feel it or not) admit defeat and say sorry?

Seriously Evil
If I find myself in the wrong I most certainly will.

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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2095 - 2014-04-05 14:13:41 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Asia Leigh wrote:
Liese Shardani wrote:
When Erotica posted the link to the Sohkar Bonus Round on the EVE forums in late February, that cleared up any question of the audio possibly being doctored to frame him.

It also brought an incident that occurred on a third party platform here onto CCP property. His posting of it, since he was the instigator, could be seen as further harassment of the victim.


And he didn't get banned until the end of march, Why again?


They knew about the practice from November and didnt ban anyone until after the CSM blogged. Why again?

*Snip* Removed reply to a deleted post. ISD Ezwal.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#2096 - 2014-04-05 14:17:02 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Can someone be an actual man and (whether they feel it or not) admit defeat and say sorry?

Seriously Evil
If I find myself in the wrong I most certainly will.


lol well I figured you would, but I may end up having to bribe someone to make the circular arguments stop

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#2097 - 2014-04-05 19:29:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Can someone be an actual man and (whether they feel it or not) admit defeat and say sorry?

Seriously Evil
If I find myself in the wrong I most certainly will.


lol well I figured you would, but I may end up having to bribe someone to make the circular arguments stop


Lullaby time.

Round and round the forums
Like a little bear
One slip, two slip
Banning just ain't fair

Mr Epeen Cool

Ed - Quoted solely because the word 'circular' set my mind off on the tangent that culminated in this post. .
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#2098 - 2014-04-05 22:03:36 UTC
In some ways we all have to remember that E1 has done something that not many players will ever manage to do.

He made a name for himself in Eve.

Not a bad achievement considering.

He's probably already on an alt batting away. If Poetic can manage it, and if you believe him he is a member of BNI, then I don't doubt our most notorious scammer is any different.

Still a bit of a **** though.

Aaaaaaand relax.
Tysun Kane
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2099 - 2014-04-07 00:36:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Tysun Kane
Man I am just learning about this incident from the Cap Stable podcast I listen to. IMO this RL harassment just went to far BUT I also believe that the only thing that CCP seems to think is wrong is that it made it to there forums and that brings it to to the large audience and including all the new players we have had lately. This is the world that CCP has created and has allowed to happen with in there game mechanics. Everyday the forums and in game chat channels have complaints about grievers and scammers and CCP hasn't done anything because its all apart of EVE and its mechanics. CCP is in a tough spot right now. There actions with this indecent will show the gaming world what EVE and CCP truly is deep down, and that's scary. I for one am sure about one thing, a MMO that allows such behavior to go on without a permanent ban for the main toon involved and ALL others that helped it get to that point. If that doesn't happen the human being inside myself cannot be apart of a game like that and continue to financially support a company that allows such behavior even if the guy was stupid that doesn't change anything. So its ok to make fun of and take advantage of any mentally disabled people in the world just cause we can and its in the game mechanics? NO that's ******* disgusting and I wont be apart of that. And anyone that condones such behavior you all should be ashamed of yourself for even posting in that persons defense.

This kind of thing has happen before. So when will the playerbase finally have enough?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.357599-Eve-Online-Panel-Encourages-Harassing-Suicidal-Player
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#2100 - 2014-04-07 02:03:09 UTC
What many avoid mentioning (including Ripard Teg who also avoided answering his emails) is Sohkars response to what Erotica1 did in his own words...

Read about it here.

Pretty strong indictment that people rushed the barricades on his behalf a little prematurely, and are projecting their own personal biases into the mix.

F

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