EVE General Discussion

About the same for me. I don't really find null sec that fun. If you live there its a constant demand. Nice place to visit once in a while. While fighting constant battles is fun sometimes, logging in to a barrage of CTA, CTA! Gets a little old sometimes. I don't want to have to do the same thing day in, day out when I play. Null sec forces you to always be part of a giant group, a small cog in a big machine. Fun sometimes, but in my opinion not all the time, especially if like me you don't have all the time in the world to play, or play on a constant basis. Small group stuff is much more fun, and I enjoy my solo time too.

You quoted wrong part. What you have just wrote describes pirates and gankers.

I think you even didn't notice

This, like most of the posts ITT, are misinformed or deluded fantasies. For instance, it should happen so you can find out how silly it is to have a shield expanded battleship "sniper".

The actual answer to OPs question, is that it will become a lot like NPC 0.0, but will happen over time as population stops hanging to <20 systems and spreads out.

Contrary to the belief of highsec dwellers, it's possible to mine, mission, rat, produce and trade in 0.0 space once you've unlearned terrible habits. No, I'm not talking about sov null either; there's plenty of examples of multiple non-blued groups living in close proximity in NPC 0.0 space, and it's not the doom and gloom stay-docked-or-die that you lot seem to think it is.

It would be a much better game, but it won't happen because most people want the easier option.

All these girl-on-girl wife analogies.. I wonder if you're trying to tell us anything.

Exactly this. So I'd just stay in lowsec.

Subjective and not based in reality.

Shows no understanding of the situation

2/10

Must try harder

(Though I like the use of the word "blow")

Miner - I dont see why I should defend myself in anyway

Ganker - Im taking time out of my Nullops to teach you why, next time I expect you to be harder to kill. GIVE ME A DAMN CHALLENGE YOU ******* ****!!!!1111!¬!

(Edit: of course, this is fantasy as it is usually the Miner who swears)

I don't know if it would be a much better game, it would just be a different one. Lets face it, most of the people whom some of the EVE community deride for this, would simply un sub, and one would be left with the remenants of those who preferred the different mode world. All that would happen is that one would lose a sector of players. I personally don't think the game would benefit from that.

You're right, people mission in low sec and null, people mine/harvest in those places as well. I'm one of those people. EVE though is risk/reward intensive though, so its really hard to be upset that those who spend low risk, get low reward. Stuck mining Veldspar, and with largely T1 production. Admittedly, one can play and be pretty happy with this. EVE is still somewhat of a fun game in this regard - I know that's hard to understand for a lot of people, remember, we're in the sandbox here. IF everyone can't play in the sandbox, it ain't a sandbox. One might say that a sandbox should have no rules or prohibitions, but a real sand box does - it has the properties of sand which govern what one can do within, and there in lies the challenge. Every thing you make in the sandbox after all is still sand.

To be honest, sometimes I like the "easier option" curse that if you will. Sometimes I want to play and enjoy the EVE universe with a small bit less of risk. Those "bad habits" one refers to that high sec players have, take a lot of time to adhere to, and frequently if one is super careful, you don't end up doing what you would like to do. Null sec for me just gets old sometimes, especially since the main thing to survive there you need to do is work with others - sometimes the really trying part. For me in MMOs I get along more with my adversaries than I do with my guild mates/corp mates. Your enemies you can at least choose somewhat when to interact with them. But that's my issue with games, not yours, everyone is welcome to get from the game what they want.

The posts above this one with examples of one sector of players against another (where one's always the hardened hero and the other is the whiny aggrieved), are just very limited in their perspective. EVE players are far more varied. Lord knows I've found my share of whiny players and those who get upset and claim things are unfair PvPers and PvEers alike. For every whining miner about sec issues and gankers, there's a whiny ganker who's upset whenever he doesn't get a kill out of a gank. Lots of people think the game should change, in general to favour their own play style.

In my experience there's a lot of "PvPers" who are just as sore when they lose a ship as any ratter or miner, and there are still plenty of mission runners, miners and ratters who are pretty good about the process ending up in a new clone.

In the end ther's players who will continue to whine in this game and unfortunately you won't be able to sort them out. I try just to ignore them they're going to be in every MMO you play.

I have no problems with gankers either for the most part, but I think its unfair to categorize anyone who prefers to do PvE type activity is "greedy" or "self absorbed". Also EVE is (or should) be the ultimate "do whatever you like game" whatever you like includes an array of PvE activities, they just happen not to be of the theme park variety, EVE is wonderful in that there is a lot of ways to do said PvE things. that nothing is ever really PvE is just part of the game.

Personally I can see where lots of players, particularly new ones get upset, unhappy at being ganked. There's lots of players just trying to get a bit of veldspar to sell, another rat's bounty so they can get ahead in the game. Ganking a lower end character might just have annihilated the results of their afternoon's gaming. One must admit that this isn't always directly apparent when one suffers such a loss that this is really the challenge inherent in the game. Its probably debateable that people who play EVE and like it, are a sigma left or right on the bell curve with what they consider "fun". Some will get upset and quit, others will learn and continue. I will say that once the risks are apparent and losses have been suffered, why some continue to play wishing that they weren't so. I guess maybe the internet space ships are just that pretty that some are enthralled.

I do have to question the idea that other players need to be "taught" lessons in such fashion. If that's why one is doing it, then you have issues. If you do it for reputation, reward, or tactical or strategic ends, that's what the game is about (essentially reputation and reward are either tactical or strategic depending on your end goals). I feel no need to teach other players a lesson than I do the other idiots I share the freeway with, or some of the ignorant louts at the mall.



I would contend that only bots are really aspects here that really negatively impact the game. An afk player mining away (or ratting away if they can do it) is extrordinarily inefficient, and thus don't profit verses time spent enough to affect the profit of thos ewho are at the keyboard. Bots when discovered should be mercilessly ganked. Average joes just trying to make a few ISK, its really ahrd to resent them just wanting to get somewhere in the game. After all, you don't get very much ISK (if any) from low end frigate PvP. Not enough if one has some sort of desire to fly something other than. Besides, someone's got to be out there to fuel the EVE industry and market, or all anyone would be flying would be a bunch of rookie ships and that would be pretty boring.

Hey guys, someone tell the new guy here what I do in game please.