Ships & Modules

Currently, close range fits compare like this. These are ships I have sitting in dock.

Hurricane, 6 220 Vulcan II, 2 gyro's, no damage rigs, no implants, Hobgoblin II's. 612 DPS
Same Cane, 425 version. 640 DPS
Harbinger, 6 Heavy Pulse II, Imp Navy crystals, 2 heat sinks, no damage rigs, No implants, Hammerhead II's. 700 DPS
Brutix, (A Brutix ffs) 6 ELECTRON blasters, zero mag stabs, no rigs, no implants, Hammerhead II's. 560 DPS
Drake, My current fit; 6 heavy II launchers, Caldari Scourge missiles, 2 BCU, 2 +3 Implants, no rigs. 453 DPS

Launchers are about 75 DPS each, so the old fit would have hit 525.
Subtract my 6% worth of implants and that would be right at 500ish
Or add 6% to the other fits and you'd put most of them in or over the 675 DPS range

Also, most Drake pilots have less than perfect skills. 75% of those Drake pilots people were complaining about, were doing less than 500 DPS
My point is: The Drake NEVER did close range damage from long range.

Drake strong points were tank, cost, noob friendly, and it wouldn't be called primary. Yes, range was a strong point, but range also = no tackle.
Arty Canes would kill them, anything fast could outrun them.
Those are all attributes of the ship, not the weapon system.
Drake DPS was always an LOL.

NOW: Now almost everything can kill them before they kill it. It's DPS was cut by 1 launcher, and the range was cut as well. So if you tackle one, it's dead. Closer range from heavies means Drake is just a bad ship to fly now.

Startin' to feel like a rant or something... and way off topic. Just making a point.

I compared them because baltec1 wrote this....


Edit here:
The sh*tty Brutix is a duel rep fit that I used to pirate with. It could tank gate guns, tank incoming, Hard tackle, and still get top damage on occasion. The reason I still have it is because, the last one never died. I fly a perfect Brutix/Astarte. I trained specific for them. My point was, this one was a tier 1 BC with no damage mods, and electron guns fitted. It out DPS'd heavy missiles though. The response was all about baltecs statement.
Post with your main or show me all the ships you're so awesome with. I can't find 1 kill for your current character.

60 km... The only Heavy missile that will reach 60 is the Navy Version. Furies travel a fairly lame 47 and precision travel 31.

again: The T2 ammo for Caldari's long range medium weapon platform, travels 47km with max skills

He wants his out of whack heavies back. Same as how some want to see the pre nano nerf vaga back and the drone assist domi and carrier fleets. Even now, a heavy caracal will out range anything else in its class with more punch at that range. A drake today will also out damage a rail Brutix past 22km.

If you want high damage from your missiles you use close range missiles.

Somewhere along the way, A Drake has seriously molested you guys.
Sorry that you were permanently scarred from his 450 DPS.
It must be awful to have to live in fear of every Drake pilot in eve. There are so many of them.
I can't even imagine the horror.

Best of luck in your speedy recovery.

No, the 60km comes from a Drake using T1 HML;

Are you sure about this? I'm showing 412 DPS @ 43 km optimal for the Brutix and 401 DPS @ 47 km max on the Drake. This is with 2 Damage mods, CN Lead and Scourge Fury.

If you hadn't noticed, the conversation was about T2 Fury ammo range vs T1 range. But feel free to completely ignore that obvious fact and assume something entirely different so you can troll/look like an idiot.

You know what, I stuck heatsinks in the lows

So drake gets around 20km of better firepower over rails.