Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Forum search didn't yield proper results on the matter, and closest hits I noticed were about cinematic camera and a first person mode, neither of which my proposal is not about. Feel free to correct me on the search results if you so wish.

My suggestion is not indepth, it's not large or complex, but has been a standard in many other space games, most notably Freelancer, and now-shutdown Black Prophecy.

It'd be a moot point to even try arguing against why EVE's current control scheme suits the game so well, pretty darn well to be honest. We are after all, in technical sense, talking about full weapon systems. Stand-alone mechanisms bound to take commands instead being directly commanded.

The passive nature of the relationship of the player, ships and modules in EVE has stapled the input to a passive state. It creates sense of proper order and in my opinion is not very intimate, doesen't really tie the player into the action of the game if you will. Simply pointing and clicking, and you get to see how your iron grip of commands get to live. It also sadly means all the true skill there is gets pushed to strategical aspects: figuring out the better fit, the better fleet tactics, having a stronger sense of leadership and decision making, et cetera. But the passive input doesen't change anywhere.

I personally come from a strong First Person Shooter background, so my idea might seem biased, my apologies for that, I do however long for an active imput for this game. I am completely satisfied as it is currently as vast improvements have been made to it during the past few years, but an active control scheme would merely be a win-win, atleast in my eyes.

I'm not suggesting, at any level, the removal or partial decomissioning of the current system, but to get something different alongside it. A system where targeting, navigation and firing alike are all performed by hand(s) much like in Freelancer or shooters for example, or even mixing up these two systems to create rather wild, interesting and innovative ways to do combat, exploration, logistics and other sorties.

I do doubt it even myself though, would an active controls input place players with quicker reaction times, situational awereness and hand-eye co-ordination that carry over from excessive FPS gaming to an unfair advantage. Please let me know what you think.


Peace!
Jall

Actually, it would be worse.

There are two technical issues that can't be quite overcome without a significant cost to the current architecture of the game;

- there is no "line of sight" mechanic in EVE.
- the server runs at 1 second "ticks" (see: it receives, updates, extrapolates, and sends information once per second).
It would basically be like playing Freelancer at 1 frame per second.

NOTE: for reference... games like Battlefield 4 and Call of Duty have server "ticks" in the miliseconds... which is why there are hard caps on the number of people playing in any single server.


That said... I'm a "space captain." I don't like the idea of "twitch" mechanics being necessary for better accuracy (because if your idea hypothetically did turn out equal or better results then it would essentially become mandatory to use).

You don't have to act high and mighty, status has no meaning in the internet, no offense, but yeah I'm cool as it currently is.

Just like Gentleman S here said it too, the inbalance would primarily come from customed players of faster genres. However, I do believe active input for weapons balance in this game should follow the same principles as they are now.

Take those large turrets, tracking would stay the same, your guns would still have the same limitations of range, it's simply landing the shot and accuracy falloff that would change in gameplay mechanic. Just one example.

Though like also said, the net infrastructure makes such gameplay addition and the problem of overhauling it entirely near impossible, I get that. Still, I do believe that atleast in theory, shooter mechanics would indeed spice up the gameplay drastically, it would introduce some real good outplaying.


Cheers for the input, Peace!
Jall

it sounds more ur style of play. its never going to have the big fights and player interaction eve does, but no twitch game will. That is all.

and, assuming you even COULD get FPS style shooter mechanics to work in EVE at ANY scale.

it would be SUICIDE.

There is a reason you arent required to do anything but manage transversal to keep your damage up, thast because a player who isnt dying in a bloody fire has over 90% of his attention on everything BUT where his atrget is flying, hes staring at his modules's cycles, his cap, his overview, where other ships are located relative to his, all this requires panning the camera around and keeping much of the screen cluttered with information. In order to implement your "idea" all that information would have to be taken away while your using it, effectively making you blind to EVERYTHING BUT your target, which means you can count the seconds til your dead on two hands.

Its like the minigames, fun in theory, but in practice, anything forcing your attention away from intel mechanics makes the activity pointless, because your very likely to die to what you cant see. (though at elast the minigmes are only a window in the center of the screen)

Impressed he'd survive for that long.





At a very high level ... yes. Here's the math.

ChanceToHit = 0.5 ^ ((((Transversal speed/(Range to target * Turret Tracking))*(Turret Signature Resolution / Target Signature Radius))^2) + ((max(0, Range To Target - Turret Optimal Range))/Turret Falloff)^2)

So, assuming it doesn't change that much (tm) if you go to twitch-based, you're still gonna be SOL when you're 1 v many (or even 1v1 in the wrong ship).




They're not _entitled_ to anything. They still have to earn that killmail ... and I'll be damned if I let them have it without a fight.



Strategy, tactics and "fitting better" will still win the day, even with some god-awful joystick combat. Though after reading your posts, it kinda seems that you're playing the game wrong, and expecting some kind of honourable combat when you're flying solo.

Just remember this --> If you're in a fair fight, it means someone made a mistake.

All very valid points, though complex input management is not an issue for people well experienced with shooters. However the bias is much closer to map knowledge and reaction speed, could be translated to positioning and tracking upgrades in EVE terms.

Yelling in false use of capitals won't make the word any less different, but I agree the primary problem in Shooty EVE would without a question be the amount of opposition. Cheers for the input.

Peace!