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why are people saying Fraction warfare is broken?

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Hasan al-Askari Mujahideen
Khyber
#1 - 2014-04-06 15:28:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasan al-Askari Mujahideen
I dont understand it, people are saying its broken and need fixed but they don't really say what is wrong with it.
I love Fw the way that it is I can only see mabye small twikes to change it but its by no means broken in my eyes.

some thing I have heard people say is

stop the wc stabs, Well there is a counter to that people have 3 stabs on ship well ill bring 2 warp scrambilers problem soved,

There farmers that only plex run away never fight, yes they farm but bring help bring system venerable and are valuable in fw so they dont pvp and run, well learn how to catch them just cuse that you want to fight them doesn't mean they want to so if you cant catch them your problem and its not broken fly an interceptor thats what they are there for.

he was in gall mill now minmitar now that were t4 and gall mill is t1, ok so he hopped fractions to make isk, you can do it to.

Only think i could realy see that is broken is Orbital bombbarment I would like to see the beacon that you warp to to start bombing show up overly as soon as there a fight going on insted of finding dust members in game, out of game.
Dr Strange Love
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2014-04-06 15:53:01 UTC
I've only heard half the people involved in FW think its broken. With a fifth thinking WCS need to be either nerfed or barred from the plexes. A third are on record as being annoyed by the farmers and an eighth of FW are the WCS farmers that people complain about.
Hasan al-Askari Mujahideen
Khyber
#3 - 2014-04-06 16:00:47 UTC
well the neutral pirates are nessisary, mabye have them take a fraction hit for fighting milita but they seem necessary

oh i forgot about the Npc navys I could say they need an update so you cant say camp out side of jita and blap wt
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#4 - 2014-04-06 16:24:48 UTC
Dr Strange Love wrote:
I've only heard half the people involved in FW think its broken. With a fifth thinking WCS need to be either nerfed or barred from the plexes. A third are on record as being annoyed by the farmers and an eighth of FW are the WCS farmers that people complain about.

your proportions are completely wrong. all sides h8 stabbed farmers.

M8 if you wanna figure out why its broken you can seriously go read all the RAGE pages back about how broken it is. FW used to be about the pvp, now its a bank. Nothing more.

mini sov? yup except instead of players using afk laser abaddons there using warp core stabs. and despite what every bleeding heart badass wants to think that stabbed farmers are counterable, they are NOT. there is zero incentive to sit in system and hunt a stabbed farmer for 8 hours.

tier 1 ? tier 4? tier 5? ccp didnt do the math on the tax's and the rewards get bigger and bigger and its so easy to maintain a tier. even though we were told that going up higher in tier would be harder to maintain... its NOT, its easier, more LP easier to maintain high tier.

removing the bigger ship plexs from fw. no reason to ever undock a bc or a bs, or a cap ship EVER anymore.

cross militia plexing.

on an eve universe scale, t1 logi has ruined this game. introduction of t1 logi that is 66% as effective as a guardian and a mere 30% the cost of a guardian is the new meta. fleet fights there used to always be something dieing. now its just repping. in FW at least its who can get the most logi alts wins.

need i go on?

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro

Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#5 - 2014-04-06 16:44:38 UTC
I bet CCP is pretty happy about current FW, lot of ships are blown up every day and systems change owner.

If you have different goals it does not mean FW is broken.

We have not seen yet what is the last outcome of this current system, maybe it goes to stable mission farming with 2 factions with high tier.
Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#6 - 2014-04-06 16:53:58 UTC
Dr Strange Love wrote:
I've only heard half the people involved in FW think its broken. With a fifth thinking WCS need to be either nerfed or barred from the plexes. A third are on record as being annoyed by the farmers and an eighth of FW are the WCS farmers that people complain about.

I lolled.

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Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#7 - 2014-04-06 17:08:44 UTC
I hate fraction warfare too. It's an affront to math everywhere.
Courtney Gutierrez
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-04-06 18:52:59 UTC
Hasan al-Askari Mujahideen wrote:
Npc navys I could say they need an update so you cant say camp out side of jita and blap wt



Yes they need removing all together so u can blap wartargets wherever u want no othere wardec has the comfort of npcs protecting them why should fw bw any different? everyone is told when they sign up that they can be attacked anywhere at anytime...

Your in a forever wardec why should high sec be safe?
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#9 - 2014-04-06 19:17:25 UTC
Courtney Gutierrez wrote:
Hasan al-Askari Mujahideen wrote:
Npc navys I could say they need an update so you cant say camp out side of jita and blap wt



Yes they need removing all together so u can blap wartargets wherever u want no othere wardec has the comfort of npcs protecting them why should fw bw any different? everyone is told when they sign up that they can be attacked anywhere at anytime...

Your in a forever wardec why should high sec be safe?


It is not safe, it is just bit more challenging to camp highsec but it is allowed and possible.

Idea of FW is to fight in lowsec for complexses not to be some RvB2.
Vyktor Abyss
Abyss Research
#10 - 2014-04-06 20:25:32 UTC
Because of one winner divided by four factions does not equal the square root of minus one.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#11 - 2014-04-06 20:52:56 UTC
Hasan al-Askari Mujahideen wrote:
I dont understand it, people are saying its broken and need fixed but they don't really say what is wrong with it.
I love Fw the way that it is I can only see mabye small twikes to change it but its by no means broken in my eyes.

some thing I have heard people say is

stop the wc stabs, Well there is a counter to that people have 3 stabs on ship well ill bring 2 warp scrambilers problem soved,

There farmers that only plex run away never fight, yes they farm but bring help bring system venerable and are valuable in fw so they dont pvp and run, well learn how to catch them just cuse that you want to fight them doesn't mean they want to so if you cant catch them your problem and its not broken fly an interceptor thats what they are there for.

he was in gall mill now minmitar now that were t4 and gall mill is t1, ok so he hopped fractions to make isk, you can do it to.

Only think i could realy see that is broken is Orbital bombbarment I would like to see the beacon that you warp to to start bombing show up overly as soon as there a fight going on insted of finding dust members in game, out of game.


So the solution to the problem is to gimp your ship into something that can't beat anything but ******** stabbed farmers?

Here is a better solution, make plex sites impossible to do with ****** stabbed ships.

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Plato Forko
123 Fake Street
#12 - 2014-04-06 20:53:50 UTC
I don't particularly care about the farmers, but it's part of what I think is borked with FW and it boils down to this: you're rewarded more for small actions than for doing anything big. When someone invests all the time in putting together a proper fleet to go and occupy a plex against any aggressors, it's a slap in the face to not only get less LP individually for the effort, but also to see the contest rate only change as much as it would have if a single condor ran the plex instead. So in the world of FW, the more time and ISK you risk, the LESS you're rewarded, and that, to me at least, seems totally contrary to how the rest of EvE works.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#13 - 2014-04-06 22:18:11 UTC

If it wasn't broken then it would be called 'whole warfare' and not 'fraction warfare'.

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Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#14 - 2014-04-06 22:39:16 UTC
Because its fractioned.
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#15 - 2014-04-06 22:40:41 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:

If it wasn't broken then it would be called 'whole warfare' and not 'fraction warfare'.

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Beat me to it.
Twinroads
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-04-07 02:56:05 UTC
Name any activity in Eve and you're bound to find a group of people whining and complaining about it being broken. Hell, even Eve as a whole is broken if you believe some people. The fact that something is imperfect does not mean that it is broken, but it is much easier to affirm an extreme position (and loudly, at that) than it is to come to a nuanced position on the matter.
Balshem Rozenzweig
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2014-04-07 12:06:47 UTC
I think it's about being tired, realy.

I considered hunting farmers to be a challenge and a thrill (your ship does suck with 2+ scrams on it). I think I might change the idea in 2-3 years tough :P

"NUTS!!!" - general McAuliffe

Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#18 - 2014-04-07 12:55:06 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Hasan al-Askari Mujahideen wrote:
I dont understand it, people are saying its broken and need fixed but they don't really say what is wrong with it.
I love Fw the way that it is I can only see mabye small twikes to change it but its by no means broken in my eyes.

some thing I have heard people say is

stop the wc stabs, Well there is a counter to that people have 3 stabs on ship well ill bring 2 warp scrambilers problem soved,

There farmers that only plex run away never fight, yes they farm but bring help bring system venerable and are valuable in fw so they dont pvp and run, well learn how to catch them just cuse that you want to fight them doesn't mean they want to so if you cant catch them your problem and its not broken fly an interceptor thats what they are there for.

he was in gall mill now minmitar now that were t4 and gall mill is t1, ok so he hopped fractions to make isk, you can do it to.

Only think i could realy see that is broken is Orbital bombbarment I would like to see the beacon that you warp to to start bombing show up overly as soon as there a fight going on insted of finding dust members in game, out of game.


So the solution to the problem is to gimp your ship into something that can't beat anything but ******** stabbed farmers?

Here is a better solution, make plex sites impossible to do with ****** stabbed ships.


EVE is about variety of fits and ships and tactics, if you do not want to change then stabbed farmers run. Why game has to change if you are not willing to.
Blodhgarm Dethahal
8 Sins of Man
Stray Dogs.
#19 - 2014-04-07 13:45:01 UTC
I think the main gripe is that I can make a band new alt and on an untrained character of about 55k SP I can orbit a button in a plex and receive bacon, or in this case LP.

Mostly afk I might add.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#20 - 2014-04-07 13:57:52 UTC
Its a PVP environment that requires no PVP to make oodles of isk because of poor Plex design.

So yeah, thats the issue.
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