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So pod kills, in secure space, are just bullying, are not they?

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Nhanderu Mbaekuaa
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-04-06 12:31:11 UTC
Or perhaps I'd say bullying and bragging, but I am not sure if they are different things. Let's stick with bullying. Ok, it is done to everyone, so it is not serious bullying; it is not the usual situation where a gang concentrates all the mocking and pressure in one or two newbies selected at random from the new flock. It is probably closer to peer-presure in scientific-technical communities, or even to a fraternity initiation ritual. Not that I like the guys at Skulls and Bones.

Usual arguments for this generic kill are:

- "I can". Everything told, here.
- "silent them". Er??? Pirate-wise, it increases the visibility of the system in the map. By killing the pod, you get it silenced in local... and a big danger mark in the global map, telling everyone to carry more force, or more caution, where crossing your system.
-"raise the price of implants". Ok if you manufacture them, but otherwise?
-"as real life". It is fascinating how many people in EVE seem to play from favelas in Brasil suburbia. Wait, I have been there and I have never been killed inside of the pod.
-"trophy" That could have sense, because in the killboards a hi-sec pod killing is, arguably, scored same that a battle-situation low sec.


What I am a bit surprised is that the times this topic emerges in the forum, people does not like to look at the ritual/etnological side of the issue. I'd like to heard about it. Does it build community? Does it correct some problem in the game, by hardeninng the players?
Salvos Rhoska
#2 - 2014-04-06 12:35:45 UTC
Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-04-06 12:37:27 UTC
Nhanderu Mbaekuaa wrote:
I'd like to heard about it. Does it build community? Does it correct some problem in the game, by hardeninng the players?


you betcha
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-04-06 12:38:20 UTC
Secure space? The only secure space is docked up...
Sher Rayet
#5 - 2014-04-06 12:42:05 UTC
I've never heard about pixels blowing up is bullying.
Jawls Rohn
Neon Incorporated
#6 - 2014-04-06 12:55:00 UTC
Assuming we are talking about hi sec, only time I've had my pod killed recently was when went suspect so my own fault. Sure, there may be a few people who will suicide pod kill you just for laughs, but it's not a profitable action. Just don't autopilot and your pod is perfectly safe in hi sec.

If not hi sec, what do you expect?

Pod kills, on their own, are not bullying.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#7 - 2014-04-06 12:56:39 UTC
What I dont understand is

Why do people let their pods get killed?

Now, while there is a small chance the attacker ("Bully" is subjective and emotive) may be able to lock the pod before it escapes,
there are many ways to save the pod even if the ship is going down.

So, a pod loss in most cases results from one of several factors;

1) Not knowing the mechanics - If so, then it should encourage the poddee to learn them

2) Not being fast enough - Encouraging the poddee to tighten up his speed, this is essential in any interaction on EvE, tbh

3) Being AFK - Well if you are AFK in space then you are being purposefully oblivious to simple Health & Safety standards and it is most definately the poddee's fault for putting himself in that position in the first place. Again, next time, he may be less willing to leave his ship unattended

4) Spending time he could use to get away to rant and rave - This is a more common cause of death than most give credit for. Swearing and acting up does not give you any closure, nor will it bring your ship back, so what is the purpose of it?

In short, if you give an attacker a target, he is likely to want to shoot it. There is satisfaction to be had in destroying a target, the explosion is pleasing and it is both possible and encouraged. Any idea that non-consensual combat is in any way illegitimate is not a facet of EvE, it never has been and should never be.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#8 - 2014-04-06 12:59:58 UTC
No. Largely because you can't pod klil in secure space since nothing of the kind exists in the game.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2014-04-06 13:02:21 UTC
Nhanderu Mbaekuaa wrote:
Or perhaps I'd say bullying and bragging, but I am not sure if they are different things.

you don't know the meaning of the words, then Straight
KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-04-06 13:02:43 UTC
If you stick around after your ship gets blown up I just assume you want a quick ride home.

I know I call for "Pod Express" in local when I get my ass blown up in hostile space. [and High Sec is about as hostile as space can get imho.]

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.

Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-04-06 13:10:25 UTC
I like corpses.
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-04-06 13:12:39 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
I like corpses.

Yeah, everyone should crack open a cold one now and then...
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2014-04-06 13:14:50 UTC
It's the closest thing to 'tea bagging' that EVE offers...
Mag's
Azn Empire
#14 - 2014-04-06 13:15:15 UTC
What's 'secure space' and where can I find it?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#15 - 2014-04-06 13:16:48 UTC
Mag's wrote:
What's 'secure space' and where can I find it?


Argon Prime

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#16 - 2014-04-06 13:29:20 UTC
Mag's wrote:
What's 'secure space' and where can I find it?

Europa, all of the worlds are ours, except that one, we're not allowed to land there.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#17 - 2014-04-06 13:31:06 UTC
Mag's wrote:
What's 'secure space' and where can I find it?

Ask your ISP if they provide SFTP.
Teyr Schmitt
An Errant Venture
#18 - 2014-04-06 13:42:47 UTC
Nhanderu Mbaekuaa wrote:
Or perhaps I'd say bullying and bragging, but I am not sure if they are different things. Let's stick with bullying. Ok, it is done to everyone, so it is not serious bullying; it is not the usual situation where a gang concentrates all the mocking and pressure in one or two newbies selected at random from the new flock. It is probably closer to peer-presure in scientific-technical communities, or even to a fraternity initiation ritual. Not that I like the guys at Skulls and Bones.

Usual arguments for this generic kill are:

- "I can". Everything told, here.
- "silent them". Er??? Pirate-wise, it increases the visibility of the system in the map. By killing the pod, you get it silenced in local... and a big danger mark in the global map, telling everyone to carry more force, or more caution, where crossing your system.
-"raise the price of implants". Ok if you manufacture them, but otherwise?
-"as real life". It is fascinating how many people in EVE seem to play from favelas in Brasil suburbia. Wait, I have been there and I have never been killed inside of the pod.
-"trophy" That could have sense, because in the killboards a hi-sec pod killing is, arguably, scored same that a battle-situation low sec.


What I am a bit surprised is that the times this topic emerges in the forum, people does not like to look at the ritual/etnological side of the issue. I'd like to heard about it. Does it build community? Does it correct some problem in the game, by hardeninng the players?


You forgot:

-Tactically remove said pilot from a given situation
More true in Low/Null/Wspace than Hi, granted, but it's still
-Dumbasses who CBA to get their pod out in hi sec deserve to be podded
There's no AoE bubbles. You should not be in a situation where you are podded in hi sec unless lag/computer freeze/etc.


This coming from a vanilla clone that lives in Wspace.
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-04-06 14:01:27 UTC
Why would you consider it bullying? It´s just another thing to shoot and specially in hi sec it can get you very expensive kills.
Xavier Holtzman
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#20 - 2014-04-06 14:02:22 UTC
Nhanderu Mbaekuaa wrote:
Or perhaps I'd say bullying and bragging, but I am not sure if they are different things


They are.

I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if only they would realize it. - Bill Frug

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