Player Features and Ideas Discussion

because this is not a economy blog.




try again. you not have the better yield AND the tank. the yield comparison of Fozzie is based about fitting the lows with MLU2s. So no bulkheads and no DCU. so it will not be 60k will it? end result is a lower tank and lower yield, ie double nerf.

The primary problem with mining as a profession is that the skills are only good for mining, not that it is that boring compared to other ISK-generating activities. I tell every new player I talk with to go for NPC-killing/exploration, because those skill points are useful for PVP as well. For all those faults, at least the Skiff looks decent for those with the right mindset.

Confession: I'm deep into mining. It's the only reason I'm still in Eve.

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Truck drivers got loads of ships to choose from, Combat pilots got as well. Fleet leaders got plenty of command ships and ships which can feet leadership modules.
Miners got only Frigate > barrage > exhumers. Exhumers are just T2 barrage so nothing new here same function better numbers.
Please give us more specialized ships.

Next the procurer,
Stop crying like babies. I mined my first plex as personal challenge with 1 week mining skills using a Venture. You want procurer not for tank but because it's mining barrage which costs 10 mil isk.
You can get plenty of tank on it and you know... low slots... use Damage Control Unit.

Next is the Ret\Mack
The big thing here was the fact I could use 2 Strip miners while having large ore bay and decent options to tank\fit. After this update I'm happy I sold my mack and went to the skiff.

Skiff,
More range, more target locked, shorter cycle times. My favorite ship just got better. just replace the useless drones damage bonus with mix of Drones HP and Mining yield. My hob's II already killed anything on the belts and I'm not stupid enough to shoot back on gankers, I pay my taxes I'll abuse concord to shoot for me. It's mining ship so mining bonuses - > cheers.

Hulk \ Cov
Why? why anyone will use those extremley overpriced ships which are subpar with other ships and their only advantage is 3 strip miners, Be serious here with max skills 100mil implant and full orca boosts you got too much yield and 1 \ 2 cycles will empty a rock so why I need more yield then I can use?
also 300 mill for hulk which is impossible to abuse for yield fit and you must tank it due to it's price then it got less then fancy yield to justify the price.
I can happily use now 3 MLUII on the new skiff while having stupidly huge tank and I'll get more or less too much yield for any rock so why take a risk of losing and hulk\cov for a bonus I won't need?


Also no words on Mining frigates? no changes to the Venture?
And how about other ships which can use NORMAL mining lasers and not strip mining lasers and that will have an effective bonus for that?
How about make my dream come true and make a drone ship for mining? something like BS sized carrier which can utilize 5 "Fighter" sized mining drones so I can have let's say over 50km range on my mining or sending each drone on different rock to cherry pick the one I like most. This type of ship will also make the AFK experience null and void as you'll need to actively manage your drones in case of rate or empty belts.

Another issue is mining crystals... I'm using T2 strip miners with T2 crystals and the fact is they are too large.. what's the point? let me have maybe a crystal bay on the ship or just make them smaller...

Also I would like to address the Orca piloting.. many people will make an alt for boosts as piloting an orca except for some random Drone mining or pulling ores if doing fleet will leave you with nothing more then looking at the screen, it's less work then actually mine! so how about make some changes to the Command ships that they will have some active role they can do let's say mine for themselves or something,
Example: Let the orca have "Fleet mode" which it will work like now able to boost and have all bays like ships and such or "Solo mode" in which it can give "Solar System" boosts for general day to day out of mining ops action and then the orca will only be able to boost but without the ships bay \ tractor beams or any other fleet support but it will be able maybe to mine veldspar with dedicated veldspar laser or something.. just to have something to do meanwhile instead of orbiting a space station.

Also I would like to address in general the fact that the ores on Empire space is split between 4 factions... why?
Let's say I mine in specific faction space as I got good standing there... I would only need to train for 4 ores to refine and use the crystals and that's it. Lately I started doing mining anomalies so I had an excuse to train extra refining ore specific skills for those.
Why not to mix all of the empire space ore types on belts while keeping their security level spawn so miners will need to train more refining specific skills and would have more activity as they will look for their favorite rocks.

And lastly I would like to address toward this incoming expansion the suicide ganking issue. You need to add into the tutorials a mission on how to properly tank a mining ship and explain that like you balance tank\dps on combat ship you need to balance tank\yield on mining ships.
Also how about making suicide gankers expelled from the system by concord for X amount of time after they break the law?
I understand that this is a sandbox game but let's be reasonable if we talk about area which controlled by an empire which deem ganking miners and neutral targets against the law (hence shooting the gankers down) wouldn't they also either execute him (pod kill by concord) or imprison\banish him?
On areas without concord same thing like we got now but on highsec with concord active let's use our heads and think this through.

TBH, range on the hulk is useless in my opinion since it is always accompanied by an orca, which is giving it more range with its boosts. This range boost will not make me use it any more than I did before.

Forgot to mention: The range bonus to survey scanners on the Orca. That has got to be the most useless hull bonus to any ship in EVE, at least for HiSec mining ops.

Due to the small asteroids sizes in HiSec, it would be a herculean effort to have the Orca pilot utterly spam new targets for multiple Hulks, never mind the confusion when trying to determine who takes which target/asteroid. And without a long range survey scanner on each Hulk, then Orca target spam would be needed to utilize the new, enhanced range bonus on the Hulk.

Considering the mass confusion resulting from having no easy way to determine if an asteroid is already being mined, combined with the feeble capacitor on the Hulk (causing the Hulks to cap out once they realize they are competing with another pilot for a rock), and the confusion and inefficiency resulting from 'Orca target spam' should be obvious. It is much less hassle to just move the whole fleet, once all asteroids within 22.5km, the current range of a locally fitted T2 survey scanner on a Hulk, are mined out.

It should come as no surprise then, that I have absolutely, positively never seen anyone ever use an Orca like this in HiSec. The new Hulk range bonus is thus completely useless for HiSec miners, and it won't help influence anybody's choice of mining ship. IE. it won't get anybody in HiSec to fly a Hulk over, say, a Skiff.

So: New increased range on survey scanners, or reconsider the range bonus on the Hulk. It currently isn't worth the electrons used to render it on my screen.

Don't take this the wrong way, because I don't mean to be insulting. But a dev post from nearly a year ago? That hardly suggests that this topic is "still alive". Especially since they have had 11 months since then, haven't changed a thing about survey scanners in that time, and forgot to include it with any of the changes announced here.

It's great to remain hopeful, but this is :ccp: we are talking about.

CFC loses an ice interdiction to procurers. Procurers must be OP. Makes sense CCP. ROLL with what you know.

While I like the Idea of the Covetor getting a third low slot to make it more viable, I disagree on the Hulk. the Hulk should get that low slot as well, otherwise there is no benefit in using the hulk over the covetor, given the huge difference in cost and the extremely bad tank both have. from an economic point of view a hulk doe not pay off how - even when mining directly into an orca auf it will do so even less in the future, because it is way too easily ganked. A covetor costs next to nothung, so the higher yield compared to other ships leads to a situation where you can afford to loose one every day and still have higher profit. wit a Hulk this is does not work.

The "tanky barge" has less than half the storage capacity of the "storage barge", and that's the main difference. It pays for its defensive abilities with a lack of afk mining ability.

The procurer and skiff already have immense defensive capability and losing a midslot to add a lowslot does nothing to diminish this, as you can now fit a damage control, which does more for its defence than a 2nd or third invul field.

The procurer/skiff need the most work because being tough isn't just about having a buffer to resist highsec ganking. Surviving in nullsec involves being able to eliminate the nasty rats without having to redock, change ship, kill the rats, go back, change ship etc. And as stated, it's far too boring to force another player to defend the mining fleet. Mining ships with adequate yield and excellent defensive capability are what's needed for null, because not everyone is a highsec afk miner.

Bite your tongue sir, It needs the high scan res to lock on pods when the ganker fails.