Player Features and Ideas Discussion

ALL ships in EVE should have a smart-bombish value to them when they blow up.

It came to me during a mission. Had two battleships side by side at close range. I popped one, the other went unscathed.

This would also add to PvP as well. If you know you are going to die, may as well get as close to the agressor as possible.

Adds an element of reality all around.

NO, you cant blow yourself up. It only happens if you are destroyed by outside forces.

I like your thinking sir!

And you would do that because?

You would lose a valubale ship for the lulz?

Maybe you dont understand what Im getting at.

Blow up a shuttle...small boom. Very little collateral damage.

Blow up a battleship...big boom. Significant collateral damage.

So tell me again why would you want someone to blow up your battleship?

You're asking the wrong questions.

With several billion ISK in my wallet, lots of "innocent" ships carrying valuable stuffs, the potential for endless wailing in local, and the possibility to cause economic chaos that you can profit from... why would I NOT?

Hell... I've used a full loaded Orca full of ships and mods as bait just to shoot stuff in low-sec.


That's why this is a bad idea.

Eh? I certainly can.

The amount of POD lost as soon as people lose their battleship would be ridiculous. Chain reaction from bombing runs too I guess...

There are ways around the problems listed in this thread.

Pods could be immune to the explosion damage caused by ships. After all, they seem to be able to withstand your own ship exploding so why not others?

The explosion damage could be based on a percentage of structural HP that is adjusted by signature radius. Something like 10-20% means your average battleship would deal cruise-missile-sized damage of 850-1700, enough damage that you'll notice it but not enough to disrupt anyone with a single ship. A shuttle, however, would deal just 1-2 damage upon detonation.

Take this to the level of capital fleet battles and things get scary. A Chimera would deal 12,500-25,000 capital-sized damage upon destruction, whereas a Nyx would deal 48,000-96,000 super-capital-sized damage. Finally, a titan like the Archon would deal 60,000-120,000 super-capital-sized damage upon destruction. Naturally due to the size of the ships, the area of effect of detonation would have to expand based on the size of the ship.

The odd-man-out with this model seems to be the Freighter, as it is a high-sec ship with a substantial structural HP. The Fenrir would deal 10,000-20,000 damage upon its destruction, which seems staggering at first until you remember that a freighter is considered a capital ship, therefore it would deal capital-sized damage. It would still be substantial, but the signature radius factor should compensate for it. A freighter exploding on undock would deal 175-350 damage to an Atron, enough to take out its shields and maybe ding the armor a bit. It would deal full damage to local freighters, taking them into armor, and it would deal 2050-4100 damage to a Raven, doing just over half damage to its shields. It would take four freighters detonating simultaneously to destroy an Atron.

This collateral damage model will increase immersion for PvE and change the landscape of PvP battles. Blobs would become very unpalatable as the destruction of each capital ship would deal substantial damage to surrounding vessels, meaning structure and positioning of ships in the fleet is paramount.

so whats stopping me from getting 500 shuttles, putting them on the jita undock, and then popping them with TP fit tornadoes when a freighter undocks.

if the freighter doesnt die, it takes damage and CONCORD doesnt show up because the 500 shuttles and their pilots are in my corp.

now that weakened freighter can be ganked by 5 catalysts instead of 20.

cool. but show me the math where shuttle does one damage despite being target painted. and 1000 shuttles are cheaper than one fit catalyst

also explain to me why doing 500 damage to a ship is ok without CONCORDOKKEN repercussions. especially when i can bump a freighter and keep undocking 500 noob ships and warping on top of the freighter, and keep popping noob frigs until its dead, with no CONCORD response.

and then watch this to see how tiny a group 500 ppl is

why hammer the point home? cause ur way wrong. Way way wrong.