EVE General Discussion

Does my face look bothered?

Not enough drama in this thread.

During 2 years I heard about 3 ganked battleships: 1 was targeted "assassination" in German community, another was random gate gank of moderately good nightmare, third was popped freighter in Niarja with a battleship inside. I guess incursion battleships aren't too attractive targets. Especially considering many of the players with the most pimped ships don't really need more ISKies and do it just for fun and can stay docked for days while chatting in community (TS) channel.

I'm not sure I understand why incursions are more or less inaccessible to newer players. I'm a bit annoyed to read about 100s of millions in ISK/hour from what seems like very little effort and plenty of SP.

And people complain about miners ruining EVE.

Am I missing something?

/蘭

/hug

I feel we are turning this hardocre PvP dramatic thread into TVP chat.

As for people thinking incursion runners getting too much money for no effort - try to gather 60+ billions worth fleet by yourself (23/7/365). Also I can get comparable payout doing L4s solo with 0 downtime (there are queues to get into HQ fleets). Just HQ fleets are very fun.

80 ppl can comfortably run in a hq system at near peak effectiveness. Thats 2 fleets, increase that to 5 fleets and effectiveness is at the outright lowest income, the next lowest level is no incursion at all. There is around 5 incursion groups able to field hq fleets.

A typical system can have anything from 5 to 20 asteroid belts, they can take an hour or 2 to clear depending on fleet size, up to an entire day and still not cleared if a solo miner is lucky to go unharrased, and likely botting lol. A massively greater number of pilots can engage in mining at the same time. Mining requires far less imput to be effective, mining is also horribly boring and conducive to "afk" gameplay. Mining belts have a garanteed respawn every downtime. Its not possible for 60 people (a mom fleet) to turn off mining for all of highsec. And if somehow some group managed to mine all of highsec entirely in under a day, it would be back the next dt.

Once upon a time incursions were lower sp, you could get in with a t2 tank BC hull and do vanguards. The bar has been raised, so much that even a standard non elite community has its will take and wont take fittings and ship types. back in the past though there was 2 communities and incursions were farmed for all thier worth and they didnt end untill just before the game automatically closed them. To counter isk rates were lower per hour. Advanced fleets of today dont suddenly mean everyones cashing in. Tell me, if what yopu did for isk was not available for 2 days, how much isk do you generate sitting in a station (not a trade hub just a random station somewhere) The answer will be nothing or close too.

Incursions, high standard efficiency oriented limited duration and highly competative field.

Mining. Low standard, easily accessable, cheap to enter, virtually unlimited duration and barring tradehub proximity systems, very non competative. Also "afk" gameplay boring a vast motivator for multiboxing and botting



Lipbite...

fleet? :D

How can you tell? Your eyes dont even point in the same direction

And as I said, what purpose would that serve? Ive read your editted point that you made in your post after the fact, and it still doesnt change the problem with your suggestion;

Why would the Sanshas want to invade empty space?

Yeah, but it is though

I have a button that he likes to press

I know its beneath me, so Im going to say sorry to the rest of you and stop.

Whether I can or not I suppose depends on what happens next lol

And sometimes he says stuff that actually makes me lol and not think about rearranging his..... furniture

And according to Dino not only are there sometimes none in High at all, but Incursion runnners NEVER go to lowsec either