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Kicking the dead horse: inactive players and corporations edition

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Domania
Must Be EOL Cuz Wormholes Dont Jiggle Like This
#21 - 2014-04-05 10:37:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Domania
Out of my 8 years playing, I have never once been stuck on naming a character or corporation. Never once had issues making a tag for said corporation. What all those accounts do is fill in the most common and unimaginative names out there.
You say deleting them would be of no consequence. I then propose upon you why we should not just keep them? There is no consequences by keeping them and taking no action against inactive accounts, and people who do come back to the game or decide to start playing Eve after trying the trial after a time might want to use a account they made already.
Sher Rayet
#22 - 2014-04-05 10:41:56 UTC
How would this work in the Employment History tab? Erased or tagged as a "Legacy" corp, which may indicate this so and so is a successor?
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-04-05 10:56:08 UTC  |  Edited by: BrundleMeth
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
... you mindless peon? If you're too cheap the hire mercs or shoot something defenceless yourself you deserve to suffer.

Did they deserve to be called this name? and because they may be poor they "deserve" to suffer?

I think the game is better off without you in it...

Ramona McCandless wrote:
Sarah McKnobbo wrote:
Good time to suggest this. Just as CCP have an incentive program running to get people to resub.....


OP wants resubbers to lose their stored characters just because he cant think of an original Corp Name Roll

And he's upset he can't use "The Big Hairy Purple 3rd Toe on My Left Foot" as a corp name bceause it's taken.
Django Askulf
Black Rebel Death Squad
#24 - 2014-04-05 11:08:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Django Askulf
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
So it's that time again. Reasons have been posted a million times so here they are in bullet-point format.


So if this has been went over a million times before, what committee elected you to rehash it for the million and oneth time? Or do the bullet-points make that much of a difference?


Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Did I not specify in the OP to leave offline POS towers around, you mindless peon?


Hey now, watch your mouth, and no being a ****. If I gotta be politically correct, and nice, everyone's gotta also.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#25 - 2014-04-05 11:27:44 UTC
Hehe, Ramona is a mindless peon! Not exactly the mental image I have of that character... Few know their own mind better, I think.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#26 - 2014-04-05 11:33:41 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Hehe, Ramona is a mindless peon! Not exactly the mental image I have of that character... Few know their own mind better, I think.


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Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-04-05 11:48:40 UTC
Sarah McKnobbo wrote:
So, is it a Star Trek or Babylon 5 name that you want to free up for your corp?


He's just having a sad because someone else already took Darth Vader Sad
Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
#28 - 2014-04-05 13:12:59 UTC
Sarah McKnobbo wrote:
Good time to suggest this. Just as CCP have an incentive program running to get people to resub.....


Yup, recalled into a hell of biomass and tax bills. Lol
Marcia en Welle
Doomheim
#29 - 2014-04-05 13:18:52 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
3: I want to call my corp something - oh look a guy made a corp with a similar name 6 years ago and hasn't logged in in over 5 years. It's a self explanatory issue.

This thread is basically, 'someone else has a name which I want so I'm going to cry about it on the forums.'

HTFU
Dinger
Task Force Delta-14
#30 - 2014-04-05 13:29:46 UTC
Let's deal with the easy ones first.
1. Why wait so long? Personal opinion, but if someone hasn't subscribed within a week of their trial ending the odds are they're not going to, personally I'd delete them a week after the trial ends, even in 21 days (I believe the longest trial period available) most genuine trialers are not going to have amassed any significant resources anyway. Not to mention the fact that they won't have contributed anything towards the cost of the game.

4. I'd go one further, these POS are attackable yes but only with the twin costs of ISK for a wardec (and most likely a few mercs) and time to chew the tower down. Since POS can be fuelled for up to a month at a time and can be deployed and more importantly to this discussion undeployed in an matter of hours the only reason for one to go offline and sit in space is if it has been abandoned. So, give it a week's grace, if it sits offline for a week everything unanchors and first come first served.

For 2 and 3 your primary issue seems to be with one man corps, now as someone who has and still does (at least when I'm active) run a one man corp (me and my alts since giving up on nullsec a long time ago) I can tell you there are two reasons I created D-14:
1. I wanted to run a POS in empire to support my manufacturing base, this requires a player run corporation with the appropriate standings.
2. I had no intention of watching 11% of my income siphoned away in NPC corp taxes for nothing, I'd just left one environment where a sizeable chuck of player's efforts were appropriated for little to no return, I was not about to tolerate another.

The second of those reasons in my opinion is why we see so many one man corps these days and is a perfect example of the law of unintended consequences, people bitched and moaned and whined so much about players "hiding" in NPC corps that CCP finally acted against said players by slapping a tax on the NPC corps. What happened next was exactly what everyone who stood opposed to that said would happen, players started "hiding" in one man corps, dodging the tax in the process and changing absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Player corporations already have operating expenses, office rents, taxes on corp sell orders, usage charges for corp factory/lab jobs on NPC stations and so on, adding more on top of that may well "free up IP" from corps that don't run POS but you'll be straight back to square one as far as people in NPC corps go as people will simply go back to them if it's more expensive to stay outside of them.

Set that aside for a moment and your proposal still doesn't work. Deleting corporations (and their remaining assets if any) when the corporation has been abandoned (ie. membership = 0) makes sense as does deleting trial players who never subbed and unanchoring abandoned POS. But, as long as there is even one character who has at any time held a active subscription as part of a corporation it can't be done. That player active or otherwise has paid their way, their accounts and everything therein including any corporations they have created are just as "valid" as an active subscribers' unless and until CCP says otherwise. Even if you manage to find a justification for freeing up the names deleting the assets of someone who has at some point paid real money into the game and may come back at some point is hardly likely to encourage them to do so and to be fair serves no practical purpose anyway as the assets are inactive as it is.

TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2014-04-05 13:37:40 UTC
It should be way simpler than that, really.

Inactive characters should never ever be deleted after any time period what so ever. Not even trials. Simple as.

However there are a LOT of characters out there who are not returning to the game with 100% certainty. Namely those who are banned permanently and those who are biomassed.

While both situations should remove a character from the game completely, all it does is place them in a special 'dead player corp'. This is fun for nostalgia sake of course, but keeps all those fun and clever names locked up until the end of time. What would be the problem in permanently deleting those characters from the system after x amount of time? Like say, 2 years? The character is deleted, the name opens up, everyone is happy. Put a big fat 'this is a new character' sticker in their bio and be done with it.

With corp names it should basically be the same. No active corp should ever be closed because of inactivity. But there are plenty of closed player corps with good names that someone else may want after a given time. A closed corp's name should become available for use again after a set amount of time and maybe special conditions.

In any case, the current system isn't really working.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#32 - 2014-04-05 14:01:14 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:


In any case, the current system isn't really working.


Yes it is

The current system is:

You arent allowed the same name as another entity

And you can't, its mechanically impossible

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-04-05 14:18:55 UTC
Alastair Ormand wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
In an ideal world, yes.

Chafes my OCD too,


I think they have a cream for that.

But yeah. Kill the dead corps. Finding a ticker that isn't taken is a b***h


I got "Bad Touches" and the ticker TCHU on the first try. It was literally the first corp and ticker I thought of. Just lucky I guess.

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Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#34 - 2014-04-05 14:44:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Joshua Foiritain
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
1. inactive players which never subscribed from their trial are deleted from the system permanently after 1 year.

No problem with this.

Caleb Seremshur wrote:
2. corporations automatically suffer a tax to remain open and 'valid', which is tied to the corp at the time of their creation from an office - those who don't pay are automatically annulled and the corp is freed for re-birth somewhere else.

You could try using some creativity and coming up with an original name instead of trying to copy names from books/movies/other. Also; Names have reputations attached to them, even if the corp in question has been dead for 8 year. Letting random mongoloids reuse old names because they're too dumb to come with a new one would be a waste.

Caleb Seremshur wrote:
4. POS remain in space as they're actually attackable

How exactly do you attack a high-sec pos belonging to a deleted corp that cannot be wardecced? You thought this through real well... Roll

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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#35 - 2014-04-05 15:31:39 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Sarah McKnobbo wrote:
Good time to suggest this. Just as CCP have an incentive program running to get people to resub.....


OP wants resubbers to lose their stored characters just because he cant think of an original Corp Name Roll


For me the problem has always been tickers... there are only so many to work with given the limits.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#36 - 2014-04-05 15:37:16 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Sarah McKnobbo wrote:
Good time to suggest this. Just as CCP have an incentive program running to get people to resub.....


OP wants resubbers to lose their stored characters just because he cant think of an original Corp Name Roll


For me the problem has always been tickers... there are only so many to work with given the limits.



Including only alphanumeric characters there are 916,132,832 possible tickers available.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Regan Rotineque
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2014-04-05 15:58:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Regan Rotineque
If only there was a "features and ideas" forum to discuss this in......ohhh wait there is......
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#38 - 2014-04-05 16:03:06 UTC
Day 1: Spy alt created, infiltrates target company, AWOXes everything in sight. Tears collected, alt is biomassed, as per standard ritual.

Day 366: CCP resets name so that it can be used again. New player grabs the name. Gains ten billion bounty before ever undocking because that name has been on an Alliance executor's watch list the entire time, finds self hounded through all of low/null by "vengeance fleets" and has no idea why.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#39 - 2014-04-05 16:13:02 UTC
I started a new character the other day. I was disappointed that I couldn't name it Erotica 1.

+1 for deleting inactive accounts.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#40 - 2014-04-05 16:15:49 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Day 1: Spy alt created, infiltrates target company, AWOXes everything in sight. Tears collected, alt is biomassed, as per standard ritual.

Day 366: CCP resets name so that it can be used again. New player grabs the name. Gains ten billion bounty before ever undocking because that name has been on an Alliance executor's watch list the entire time, finds self hounded through all of low/null by "vengeance fleets" and has no idea why.



That would be HIGH-larious but yeah that would be bad

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

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