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Nidal Fervor
Doomheim
#161 - 2014-03-12 19:48:37 UTC
Mining does not need to be ruined for all players with a silly mini game just to combat multiboxers. They just need to make using multibox programs against the rules.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#162 - 2014-03-12 19:59:59 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
It is exactly the ease of running a multibox mining fleet due to LOW INTERACTIVITY REQUIREMENTS (ie: 5s activity per 15mins required per account, rest can be afk) which makes it plausible. The profits are more than enough to plex the accounts and the effort required is tiny compared to any other simultaneous multibox activity.

I have a real problem with your attitude toward multi-boxing. If you ever had multi -boxed you would know this is not an "AFK" activity. The bottom line is multi-boxing is not against the EULA nor is it even discouraged by CCP.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#163 - 2014-03-12 20:07:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Barbara Nichole
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

Roughly that's about 1hr of AFKING and 20s of activity per day (assuming a 30 day month) to PLEX the account.

1hr of AFK. 20s of activity, per day, to PLEX.

Everything beyond that, is profit.

Now where it gets real, is if you are doing this with say 6 accounts.
The thing that happens there, is that that doesnt mean you have to spend 6 hrs afk mining to plex them, no, its still just the same 1 hr per day. Only your necessary activity gets multiplied. So instead of spending 5 sec every 15 mins unloading/retargetting, you spend 35s total. 35s, and then AFK for another 15mins.

So in 1hr of AFK and 2min 20s of activity, per day, you PLEX 6 (SIX) accounts, simultaneously.

Everything else, is profit, and from 6 miners pulling 4.8Mil per 15mins, that adds up substantially.

If, for example, you afk mined for 2hrs per day, you could PLEX a total of 12 (TWELVE) accounts in one month.

Go ahead. Show me someone who can afk-rat for 12 PLEX a month, on 2hrs a day AFK and 2mins20s activity.

(Goes without saying these figures are concerned only with the actual and specific activity of high-sec afk multibox ice mining)
This thought has already been discounted more than once in this thread alone. No one can AFK for an hour on a berg that only last 6 minutes tops in high sec ...especially not a multi-boxer who has to work multiple disappearing bergs. You are either delirious or have never been in a mining fleet of any size. Your posted theory only works on paper.. and cannot be applied to the real eve world because those conditions do not exist. The ice belts in high sec do not even last a whole hour.

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Miles Winter
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#164 - 2014-03-13 23:56:41 UTC
Turning mining into something entertaining is going to be a really really difficult task.

Most of the entertaining things in eve come out of socialization or competition. Mining doesn't really make use of either, and there's not really anything I can think of to change that.

The issue could continue being ignored and brushed aside. It's not entirely horrible as it is, but it won't solve the fundamental issue that mining isn't fun, and remains probably the #2 reason new players quit. (right after #1 losing **** they can't afford)

I think the best solution is to just automate it. Make it more about management and application of resources.
To be honest, if what I hear about bots really are true, most of the mining done in game is already automated anyways.

That said, I don't think it's an idea CCP is willing to entertain. Implemented improperly or with bugs, a new mining system could really detrimentally impact eve's economy. Which is such a critical part of the game that changes need to be made very carefully.

Which is why, mining, like combat, (Which needs far better tactical-level maneuvering decisions) are things I don't think will be improved or changed for the better in Eve. The current playerbase is too used to them, change is always seen as bad - especially when not outright necessary, and making good changes are difficult.
Salvos Rhoska
#165 - 2014-03-14 00:12:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
It is exactly the ease of running a multibox mining fleet due to LOW INTERACTIVITY REQUIREMENTS (ie: 5s activity per 15mins required per account, rest can be afk) which makes it plausible. The profits are more than enough to plex the accounts and the effort required is tiny compared to any other simultaneous multibox activity.

I have a real problem with your attitude toward multi-boxing. If you ever had multi -boxed you would know this is not an "AFK" activity. The bottom line is multi-boxing is not against the EULA nor is it even discouraged by CCP.



I multibox an ice-mining toon alongside my main. I know exactly of what I speak.
And if your Ice-belts are being finished that quickly, that is due to population and your own poor choice of location.

You fail, utterly, and nothing in either of your posts addressed the concrete figures I have presented that evidence that ice-mining multiboxing is extremely lucrative for an AFK activity, and frankly, disgusting, for lack of a better word.

Try again. And in your next attempt, provide your own figures to counter my own, or HTFU.

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Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries
#166 - 2014-03-25 21:19:11 UTC
so what has the Public decided? no or yes?
Yato Shihari
Perkone
Caldari State
#167 - 2014-03-25 23:35:41 UTC
I like mining precisely because of the low level of involvement required. It gives me time to catch up on work (and/or Netflix). There are a number of more exciting activities out there which demand more attention.
Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries
#168 - 2014-04-04 22:26:28 UTC
bump
Solecist Project
#169 - 2014-04-04 22:42:49 UTC
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:
bump
Welcome back, thread.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Solecist Project
#170 - 2014-04-04 22:45:15 UTC
Anyhow ... the problem is easily solvable.


Stop mining. It sucks as profession and for making money.


Problem solved.



If CCP was dumb enough to change mining to a nonAFK profession then they would kill the game.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries
#171 - 2014-04-04 22:47:27 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:
bump
Welcome back, thread.


Thread thankfully appreciate ur comment ;)
Mistah Ewedynao
Ice Axe Psycho Killers
#172 - 2014-04-04 22:56:14 UTC
One more stupid, juvenile and senseless mini-game, part of the way you ruined exploration and CCP can kiss the rest of my accounts BYE BYE. You already lost 5....

Nope can't have my stuff, I'd blow it ALL up before I'd give .01 isk to any forum warrior.

I POS mine in high sec. Orca in the bubble and 2 -3 Macks mining for my own use in production. Macks are fit for tank, not yield. I barely have enough AFK time while doing it to grab something to drink. No fancy software, just one computer and 2 monitors.

And all my accounts have Tier 3 BC ganker alts trained up. I am holding them in reserve for the happy day when one of those LOSERS from leg-humping.com tries to sell me a permit. Lol

Well I have popped a few bots with them.. Cool Couldn't resist.

Nerf Goons

Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#173 - 2014-04-05 01:49:57 UTC
Mining should not be that entertaining since it's the lowest player skill (not "pilot" skill) way to earn ISK. Mining is there to take you out of the initial ISK rut as a brand new player (depends on your play style), and to drive to do riskier and more exciting things in EVE.

In some ways, mining being boring is by design.

And as far as risks go.. go mine Veldspar in your Venture in a rookie system and I doubt anyone would want to gank you. The ganks come in with greater risk/reward mining (as it should).

/蘭

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Sodium Canine
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#174 - 2014-04-05 01:50:01 UTC
Mining is a bad, wicked, boring, insufferable waste of time that nobody can tolerate. If it isn't fixed, eve will die. You would think CCP would understand this. I mean seriously, look around. You can't hardly find a miner in the game these days. The mechanic has just chased them all off! Roll

My dad was a sailor on the ocean. He knows all about the ocean. What he doesn't know is why he quit being a sailor and married my mom.
One Eyed Runner
GetYaTitsOut
#175 - 2014-04-05 01:55:44 UTC
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:
Jamagh wrote:
It is relaxing. If you find it boring, take something else up. Go PVP, I can use more buyers for my minerals.


i agree it relaxing... if u got the time and dont work, or is home sick... or sitting at work doing shite...

Mining is only fun the 100 first times u do it, then suddenly it hits u in the face With a shovel and u realize wtf ure wasting ur time on.



then stop miningShocked

I live in Jita so f*ck off
Alastair Ormand
Mine all the things
#176 - 2014-04-05 02:13:22 UTC
I've got 2 screens. Run my 5 accounts in a window. Set them up and tab between them as I need. Watch something on the second screen.

Not boring to me.

I discourage running with scissors.
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#177 - 2014-04-05 02:36:16 UTC
the problem is.

how can you make mining fun?

you can have the rocks explode into a can spew like those exporation sites? no thanks!
you can have some sort of mini game like the hacking things? noo please
you can have weird and wacky things like deployables and stuff to clutter belts and increase micromanagement? cluttering belts maybe ok (but pretty pointless, way to stop cloak scouts??) as long as not collidable, but mining doesnt need clickfest, thats a way to end it forever

making it faster is the exact opposite to making it clickier. Currently its just boring.

If you could empty a belt in 15 minutes with a couple ships it would be even worse as only the few who are on at dt would ever see belts, 90% of the player base including all them newbro's who are trying to make a buck before moving on would never get a chance (to make a buck and/or see how much mining demands 2 screens with a movie playing on the second)

the challenge with mining is there isnt really a legit way to make it more "fun" its like mining in real life. you dig and dig untill you find what you want then you take it away and refine it. Mines last for years, decades its a long drawn out affair and unfortunately it has to be like that in eve too
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#178 - 2014-04-05 02:53:27 UTC
lol every day different OP same thread

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Goa Chai
Doomheim
#179 - 2014-04-05 03:05:20 UTC
What if people could no longer be antisocial and rely on their own personal multi-box alt fleet but had to work together with others, including security personnel, in order to carry out a successful mining op, perhaps what makes mining so boring isn't the act of mining itself, but the lack of suitable threats which keep the miner alert.

It seems like a lot of the things that make EVE boring are due to allowing players to go at it themselves and not have to work together with others, which in theory doesn't seem very "EVE-Like". But I guess it makes CCP money so it's tolerated, even encouraged.

Also their is a way to make mining less time consuming.
Shadowlightt
Doomheim
#180 - 2014-04-05 03:11:43 UTC
Deal with it ive been mining for 5 years and i make,2 bil isk per month