Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Let's be honest ... there are too few changes in this game, they also take ages to actually get implented in this game.

I don't want to be harsh CCP , but move your asses. For example changing few numbers and moving one slot from high to low in succubus took you few damn years. Hell you are still in early phase of doing this.

It's not just pirate ships. It's overral slowass process of improving game.

I know sometimes it's wise to think about something for longer time, rather than breaking stuff - more than actually fixing it. But there are limits, speaking of t3 nerf or whatever rebalance - you were talking about it so long time ago. That sometimes i almost forget you plan to do this.

I will be blantly harsh here : you are just lazy. You are not even designing new ships - you just tweaking some numbers on those that already exist. How much time it can take ? Yeah i know you cannot just throw random numbers and patch game next day. But i'm sure you don't need YEARS to do this at the same time.

And no it's not rant - because here comes an idea :

What about you hire even more people to do this if necessary - although it's laughable to me that you need entire team for example to change tracking speed to falloff on rifter for example.

I'm not talking about changing every ship every day or week. Nah ... but sometimes you just need to shake up stuff, so things don't start to be boring like a hell.

I'm not trolling here and i'm completly serious. Start improving game at faster rate. There are plenty of ideas how you can help this game from fellow players(some good some bad tho). There are places where your attention is necessary - for example FW and it's ******** mechanics.

How long before you pay attention to how badly FW works, where only farms counts and standard fw fit is stabs + cloak. Unless you run so exciting pve fw missions then its bomber.

I ask HOW much time ?

Game is sandbox - i got it. But you can AND you should move your ass. Because stuff gets boring pretty fast. And other game developers don't sleep at the same time.

Gives us excitement - what about navy destroyers ? New ships - some new fun ... reason to log in. etc

PS. Blog about drones cool - but it's still the same drones with tweaked numbers. Really do something.

You say this is not rant. I find that to be a false statement.

Because updating 10 year old code that has grown organically rather then built with sound architecture due to the nature of the game is easy to fix, update, or build on.

People who say this kinda stuff have no idea what they're talking about so I have to assume you just don't get it.

Further you don't just ask them to change the way the game works, but to change their entire business model just so you can have faster updates.

The ship update has only been going on for about 2 years and there is still more to add. Now here we don't necessarily have old code to contend with so why is that taking so long you might ask? Testing and balance. You can't exactly test an MMO with a typical quality assurance team, you just don't have the masses for it. Even though they do test this way it is in no way indicative of how the player base will handle it.

The fact that they would go through and make sweeping changes to dozens of ships at a time and play them out over relatively small amounts of time is actually proof that they are working both efficiently and quickly. At no point has one ship gotten updated and come out entirely over powered, and if it was overpowered it was looked at and changed for more balance and I don't think those are the last updates we will see even on ships that have already been changed up.

Faction and T2 ships are even more focused or unique and require more dev time to work on and test so it isnt surprising those took so long to be covered. And surprise surprise the capital ships that fly all around NS and the mechanics that surround them are up for a balance pass last due to the complexity of their operations in normal null life.

yes, i noticed u left out any blizzard game made in the last ten years...gg

I would much rather CCP be more like valve and less like EA than the other way around. I dont need half baked ideas chucked into my game every 3 months.

Im happy to wait until half life 3 is done for them to release it rather than play battlefield 4 in its current unplayable state.

No, less good features is better than more crappy ones.

And yes, the ship rebalance and drone rebalance are both adding a ton of tools to the sandbox. Before the rebalance how many people did you see flying a non rifter T1 frigate? or any gallente ship? or a prophecy? These are all tools that have technically been added to the game because nobody used them before so they may as well not have existed...

This is almost entirely the problem.

OP... check out the latest CSM minutes. Most of the things that CCP wants to do it can't do (because they are still working out the nightmare that is legacy code)... and then there is other stuff they simply don't know what to do with (because they can't come up with an alternative that will be particularly effective, players won't horribly abuse, or some combination of the two).


As far as ship balancing... long periods of time pass between iterations because...

- every last facet and variable must be tested... lest the DEVs create a new FoTY and have to revisit the ship soon after re-releasing it.
- they also have to watch and see how the ships they previously balanced are working out. New combat metas often take months to properly solidify.
- it's easier and safer to work on one select group at a time versus change everything all at once. Granted... it's not terribly efficient... but it produces better results in the long run.

I'm going to assume this is your main character and that you've only been in the game almost 18 months with a strong focus around low sec small scale pvp with not one instance from what I could see from zkillboard / battleclinic of ever having combat in null sec. considering how long you've been in the game I'd love to assume that you know this game very well but unfortunately I can not so I'm going to ask you.

how well do you know this game? have you gained experience through out the time you've been playing to explore all features and understand them to the point where if someone asked for your advice on something in particular you'd feel 100% sure that you're giving good advice that will help them?

I'm writing this not to troll you but to show you that there may be changes that are being introduced in the game that don't even apply to your style of game play thus you don't even check or even notice them. The main thing I have noticed with ccp like any other mmo company is they don't always advertise the changes they add and love ninja'n a stealth change here and there too. The one thing I am certain about with those changes is that ccp actually makes sure those changes are good enough to put onto the main server unlike many other mmo's which is where the fear of rollbacks has come from.