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[news] Ishukone actions called into question after further talks with

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1 - 2014-04-04 20:45:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Again, a painfully ridiculous attempt at intervention in Ishukone Okusaika's affairs by Lai Dai and Kaalakiota.

Are KK and Lai Dai truly so daft, so hate-blinded that they can't see any discussion with the Federation as potentially beneficial to the State?

Best not to answer that here.

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Aikur Kuvas
Doomheim
#2 - 2014-04-04 21:34:53 UTC
All negotiations are beneficial, or not, depending on the approach taken by both parties individually.

The anger and hate evident in that report is justified. However diplomacy is a potentially beneficial option to pursue, financially and to stop the loss of life. What the results of such talks would be, however, remains to be seen.

"A fire-eater must eat fire, even if he has to kindle it himself." - Mercenary Proverb

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-04-04 22:16:38 UTC
Of course, openly aiding and abetting the actions of a traitor for half a decade wasn't corruption, but trying to fix that traitor's long series of terrible mistakes?

Unacceptable.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative
#4 - 2014-04-04 22:18:34 UTC
“if the CEP wish to place roadblocks in the way of our diplomatic efforts to preserve what little cultural heritage remains of the Caldari on our homeworld, then they can take the responsibilty for the loss of thousands of years of history. Until they do take up that burden, we will stay the course the winds have set us on.”

Not much else to be said. Just makes me shake my head that the cry is literally "They're doin' stuff!" Ah well. Let the investigation happen. There's nothing to find that isn't boogeymen fabricated in their own heads.
Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#5 - 2014-04-04 22:25:56 UTC
If everything is above board, as both Reppola and capsuleer advocates of his state, then there is nothing to fear from a cursory investigation. The State is understandably shaken from it's ordeal the last few years - consider this an after shock of the rogue actions of the previous leader causing members of the CEP to be especially cautious concerning high-level autonomy.

As previously stated, if Ishukone is clean, as I strongly suspect, then there is nothing to fear. Creating a squall aimed at the successful and meritorious Kaalakiota and Lai Dai corporations is only going to get their respective representatives digging their heels in, assuming that they have the time to take the capsuleer peanut gallery into account. One would hope that affairs of State were above this little venue of ours, however.

CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange

Intaki Reborn

Independent Capsuleer

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#6 - 2014-04-04 22:28:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Ixiris, you aren't helping.

Kuvas-haan, anger and hate toward...? If it's toward Ishukone Okusaika, while we have stood apart, has Ishukone ever actively betrayed the State? Surely not. We are maligned simply because we don't measure success in [i]bodycount,[i/] as if that concept mattered with nigh-immortal capsuleers. If it's toward the Federation, then few have more reason to hate the Federation than Ishukone. Whereas the Caldari people lost Caldari Prime, Home to many of us, Ishukone has lost not only that, but also our greatest leader, a visionary among Caldari, Otro Gariushi.

If we can set aside that anger, that rage, that wound to our corporation and our collective psyche, then what basis has Kaalakiota or Lai Dai to lambast us for trying to work for the betterment of Ishukone and the State by means that are productive, that are likely to win us the peace?

Montenagre-haani; if I may, I would contend that the squall is created in the first place by Kaalakiota and Lai Dai. My reaction is just that-- reaction.

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Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2014-04-04 22:38:24 UTC
I understand your vested interests, but Ishukone probably has a legal and political team that has this situation well in hand.

It seems that all that KK and Lai Dai have created is some fleeting suspicion of Federation/Ishukone collusion - which while ludicrous, is forgiveable when you consider the actions of our respective nations and their constant, childish back and forth over a war that burned out a long time ago in all but the hearts of politicians and arms dealers.

CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange

Intaki Reborn

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#8 - 2014-04-04 22:46:16 UTC
Agreed on those points. My worry, ultimately, is that while we have purged the Provist influence, we are still predisposed to militant action; this is surely why the Patriots are currently dominating the CEP, and surely why we must be on guard against their efforts to continue pushing isolationist policies which we'd surely both agree are impractical and counterproductive.

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Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative
#9 - 2014-04-04 22:47:20 UTC
Aelisha wrote:
I understand your vested interests, but Ishukone probably has a legal and political team that has this situation well in hand.

It seems that all that KK and Lai Dai have created is some fleeting suspicion of Federation/Ishukone collusion - which while ludicrous, is forgiveable when you consider the actions of our respective nations and their constant, childish back and forth over a war that burned out a long time ago in all but the hearts of politicians and arms dealers.

It is understandable. I'm just wondering what happens when this investigation turns up nothing, myself. And, thankfully, none of us here in the "peanut gallery" (perfect term you used there) will have any effect on the outcome. Thank the Maker for that.
Calairis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-04-04 22:49:33 UTC
Foreign corporate interests flexing increasing sway over the Federation body politic? Color me shocked.

I certainly would be interested to know which Senators have taken the lead on these negotiations, more interested still in their wallet balances over the coming months.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#11 - 2014-04-04 22:58:25 UTC
Gosh, this is inopportune news. I'm not quite sure how I should be reacting to this.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-04-04 23:13:00 UTC
I hope the negotiations are going to be able to pay for the wedge being driven in the state.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Anslo
Scope Works
#13 - 2014-04-04 23:31:00 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
I hope the negotiations are going to be able to pay for the wedge being driven in the state.

"We did it! We united as Caldari against an internal threat, for the better of all our people! What now?....Let's divide up again and **** up each other's agenda and plans! Cause we're all about meddling right everyo-ohwait."

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative
#14 - 2014-04-04 23:59:17 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
I hope the negotiations are going to be able to pay for the wedge being driven in the state.

The wedge has been there for a few years now. It's just more obvious to outsiders, thanks to the press coverage.
Goa Chai
Doomheim
#15 - 2014-04-05 01:39:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Goa Chai
Anslo wrote:
"We did it! We united as Caldari against an internal threat, for the better of all our people! What now?....Let's divide up again and **** up each other's agenda and plans! Cause we're all about meddling right everyo-ohwait."
So in other words since the decline of the Provists things have returned to normal for the State's "Big Eight" oligarchy.

I guess that's good, a Caldari State busy infighting is less of a headache for it's rivals.
TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#16 - 2014-04-05 03:21:19 UTC
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Agreed on those points. My worry, ultimately, is that while we have purged the Provist influence, we are still predisposed to militant action; this is surely why the Patriots are currently dominating the CEP, and surely why we must be on guard against their efforts to continue pushing isolationist policies which we'd surely both agree are impractical and counterproductive.


I kinda feel that Ishukone have been leading the way in the CEP for the last year. With the other megacorporations rubber stamping their decisions, following their lead. Ishukone are clearly keeping the other members of the CEP in the dark when it comes to these discussions with the Federation. I think that is mistake on their part. Which can only cause animosity between the CEP members, jeopardize their leading role in my opinion, in the CEP at the current time.

Operation Highlander document, if it ever is fully disclosed, could also play a big part in what happens in the future. Ishukone have always had the closest relationship with the Federation. If you were betting man, you would think there is a high chance that the top executives who were compromised were from Ishukone. That does not necessarily have to be the case though. Certainly would alter their current role with regards Caldari Prime if it was.

I dont agree with the liberals, because i dont think their policy is going to work. Im glad to see KK, Lai Dai start to question Ishukone more. Heth's reign may be over, but what is important is how many come forward from the patriot bloc to pick up his rifle.
Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative
#17 - 2014-04-05 04:11:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Agiri Falken
TomHorn wrote:
Quote:
Agreed on those points. My worry ultimately, is that while we have purged the Provist influence, we are still predisposed to militant action; this is surely why the Patriots are currently dominating the CEP, and surely why we must be on guard against their efforts to continue pushing isolationist policies which we'd surely both agree are impractical and counterproductive.


I kinda feel that Ishukone have been leading the way in the CEP for the last year. With the other megacorporations rubber stamping their decisions, following their lead. Ishukone are clearly keeping the other members of the CEP in the dark when it comes to these discussions with the Federation. I think that is mistake on their part. Which can only cause animosity between the CEP members, jeopardize their leading role in my opinion, in the CEP at the current time.

Operation Highlander document, if it ever is fully disclosed, could also play a big part in what happens in the future. Ishukone have always had the closest relationship with the Federation. If you were betting man, you would think there is a high chance that the top executives who were compromised were from Ishukone. That does not necessarily have to be the case though. Certainly would alter their current role with regards Caldari Prime if it was.

I dont agree with the liberals, because i dont think their policy is going to work. Im glad to see KK, Lai Dai start to question Ishukone more. Heth's reign may be over, but what is important is how many come forward from the patriot bloc to pick up his rifle.

I'm actually pretty eager to see Highlander, myself. Wish and wait, I guess... As for now, I pose three questions.
Did anyone even ask for disclosure? Or merely expect it? That's been pretty unclear so far.
Who else is volunteering to step forward and get into the foul business of politics? I'm still unaware of anyone else.
What is prosecuting war going to accomplish?

And four... When the investigation turns up nothing, what then?
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-04-05 04:50:14 UTC
After the death of last CEO Ishukone is going down the slope of treason.
First it was noticed by CPD, who were running checks of Ishukone.
Now it's turn of CEP to take the role of CPD.

A bit sad, that CEP didn't start doing it earlier, helping CPD, though. But, I believe, that together Caldari will help Ishukone to stand on the right path and clean it from humiliation of gallentean influence.

The faster regular citizens of Ishukone realize, that their top management are corrupted gallentean bootlickers, and start acting against them, the better.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Aikur Kuvas
Doomheim
#19 - 2014-04-05 05:12:53 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Ixiris, you aren't helping.

Kuvas-haan, anger and hate toward...? If it's toward Ishukone Okusaika, while we have stood apart, has Ishukone ever actively betrayed the State? Surely not. We are maligned simply because we don't measure success in [i]bodycount,[i/] as if that concept mattered with nigh-immortal capsuleers. If it's toward the Federation, then few have more reason to hate the Federation than Ishukone. Whereas the Caldari people lost Caldari Prime, Home to many of us, Ishukone has lost not only that, but also our greatest leader, a visionary among Caldari, Otro Gariushi.

If we can set aside that anger, that rage, that wound to our corporation and our collective psyche, then what basis has Kaalakiota or Lai Dai to lambast us for trying to work for the betterment of Ishukone and the State by means that are productive, that are likely to win us the peace?

Montenagre-haani; if I may, I would contend that the squall is created in the first place by Kaalakiota and Lai Dai. My reaction is just that-- reaction.


Towards the Federation? Due to the fact that they decided that we weren't allowed to be different and live in peace, so they bombed our planet.

Or perhaps I misunderstood your reference. If so, my apologies, Priano-haani. I have not been in the state for some time and have forgotten some of the political situations.

"A fire-eater must eat fire, even if he has to kindle it himself." - Mercenary Proverb

Goa Chai
Doomheim
#20 - 2014-04-05 06:34:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Goa Chai
Aikur Kuvas wrote:
Towards the Federation? Due to the fact that they decided that we weren't allowed to be different and live in peace, so they bombed our planet.
Not before the Caldari commited the terrorist act of sabotaging Nouvelle Rouvenor, which if I remember my Cal-Gal War history correctly was in response to a Federation blockade of gates leading to previously secret Caldari bases who's existence was withheld from the Federation.

Not that it's particularly productive to comment on something that happened so long ago, but did the Caldari really think they could get away with constructing secret bases in the Luminaire system so close to Gallente Prime and not have the Federation take action against it, or that sabotaging a domed city killing half a million people would end the blockade preventing access to said bases? And while personally I think the attack on Caldari Prime was an excessive response, one can hardly say it was an unprovoked response.
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