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Is PVP soloing dead?

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Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#41 - 2014-04-04 20:18:11 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
Despite the drivel you got in response from the know-it-all children that play EVE today, the reason there's no solo pvp is largely due to the introduction of the things you listed there. They enable these children to "play AT" pvp thinking that's what they're actually doing. In a fair fight, they run to mommy.

CCP took the "fair" out of the "fight" to pucker up to these asses.



There you go.



+10

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Solecist Project
#42 - 2014-04-04 20:18:16 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Oh look mom! There are still people left who don't know what PvP means!


Pizza vs Pasta?
Clearly both. Couldn't ever want one to believe I like it more than the other, really. :D

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Kudos12345
Doomheim
#43 - 2014-04-04 20:25:51 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Oh look mom! There are still people left who don't know what PvP means!


Pizza vs Pasta?



Pizza hands down.
Solecist Project
#44 - 2014-04-04 20:29:37 UTC
Starbuck05 wrote:
Vyl Vit wrote:
Despite the drivel you got in response from the know-it-all children that play EVE today, the reason there's no solo pvp is largely due to the introduction of the things you listed there. They enable these children to "play AT" pvp thinking that's what they're actually doing. In a fair fight, they run to mommy.

CCP took the "fair" out of the "fight" to pucker up to these asses.



There you go.



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If you agree with him, then you're both wrong.


Fair fights do not exist. They are an artificial idea made up by humans.
If you don't believe me, then ask Nature.
Or a biologist.


The only "fair" fights that exist in nature are childsplay. They aren't actually fights.
Just like when a lion roars "in pain", to encourage his kid to keep biting.



And now you people come blaming the people or CCP.



Tell you what ... there's nobody to blame. Nobody. The whole idea of blame is completely wacko.


Nature simply works that way. That's how EVE works.

More is better, stronger/smarter is better.
It's natural.


What you people are complaining about is the very fact that the laws of nature apply to EVE ONLINE
and that you can't handle it, else you wouldn't complain about it.


You believe CCP gave in to some suckers (as you said), completely ignoring the fact
that CCP never had a choice to begin with. It simply isn't possible to think up a system that
"does not screw the solo player", because that's not how mathematics works.

There will always be people who group up. Without artificial limits there is no way CCP
ever can do anything about that. Asking for artificial limits, though, is *stupid* !
That's what all the other games offer!


People will always group up, just like lots of animals tend to stick together in groups.



And that is the reason why solo play "is dead". (from your POV anyway)




(Disclaimer: I am deliberately ignoring the fact that some people here don't understand what PvP means)

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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#45 - 2014-04-04 20:34:42 UTC
What is dead may never die.
Rainbow Dash
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2014-04-04 20:40:27 UTC
I solo PVP all the time on my alt. Sure it's challenging, but that is what makes it fun.

I guess I'm just doing it wrong.
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#47 - 2014-04-04 21:19:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tear Jar
Tacomaco wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

Suicide ganking


Right, kill the miner/industrial before the "concorded" countdown is over. If that's what you call PvP, then yes, solo PvP is dead


PvP in Eve starts when you are fitting your ship and undocking. Industrials have lots of ways to combat this type of PvP(fitting differently, watching local, D-scan and hiring a bodyguard). Just because they opt to not do any of these things and are helpless when the catalyst engages, doesn't mean its not PvP.

Its no different than combat ship v combat ship. There are tons of unwinnable fights because on guy fit the wrong modules.

Edit: To add, if you are looking for a 1v1 against an equal opponent, join a tournament. Roaming low sec is the wrong way to do it.
Nick Starkey
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2014-04-04 21:34:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Nick Starkey
http://s28.postimg.org/g54c4wrgt/vt_SZjz4.jpg

Jokes aside, solo PVP in this game is only a self-imposed challenge. There is no real reward or encouragement for doing it, other than not relying on other people and doing it as soon as you want to witouth external causes. In the grand scheme of things (what eve is about), it's not supposed to be fair or be a really viable activity. I do roam a lot by myself because I find it fun against the odds, though. Eve would be a painfully boring game if it worked like a spaceship arena.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#49 - 2014-04-04 21:59:52 UTC
ImYourMom wrote:
No this aint a whine, you got ganked bwahh thread Big smile

Just i feel soloing is becoming a pretty boring, non existant and rather difficult. Targets are not readily available, ive spent hours hunting for stuff sometimes. Then when you do find them they either have friends on the other side of the gate, or they have cynos for caps and bops and you get ganked. Its almost impossible to escape due to people having scrams, webs, neu
ts and jams when getting ganked amongst other things. Unless you have 5 accounts multiboxing is almost not a good hing to be doing.

Just be interesting to hear what people think on this subject



Solo PvP died in 2005

don't make me link you the threads

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Alastair Ormand
Mine all the things
#50 - 2014-04-04 22:24:05 UTC
Not a word of lie I tried solo PvP. Got hot dropped by a 100 Man fleet. Drones got aggression timer so I couldn't jump thru the gate. Dead to me.

I discourage running with scissors.
Precentor Saggitus
Planet Express Transport
#51 - 2014-04-04 22:32:17 UTC
Starbuck05 wrote:
Vyl Vit wrote:
Despite the drivel you got in response from the know-it-all children that play EVE today, the reason there's no solo pvp is largely due to the introduction of the things you listed there. They enable these children to "play AT" pvp thinking that's what they're actually doing. In a fair fight, they run to mommy.

CCP took the "fair" out of the "fight" to pucker up to these asses.



There you go.



+10


If the fight is fair, you've done it wrong. Solo or not. If you want to whine about it being fair, go duel outside of Orgrimmar.

But then that's the challenge of solo (and small group) PvP. As above, its a self imposed challenge. You need to think like a wolf pack of u-boats. Your objective relies a lot on being prepared and right timing. Hence the reward of it. I love it when a plan comes together.

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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
#52 - 2014-04-04 22:35:14 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:
[Industrials have lots of ways to combat this type of PvP(fitting differently, watching local, D-scan and hiring a bodyguard).
Bolded the best part. U so funny.

Stick to ganking miners.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#53 - 2014-04-04 23:01:00 UTC
Numbers have always been the best force multiplier.

So I guess the answer to your question is yes.

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Bloodmyst Ranwar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#54 - 2014-04-04 23:27:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodmyst Ranwar
Solo PvP is far from dead.

It's literally the methods utilized to hunt for such fights/targets.

For example, very different methods are used hunting for Ratters and Miners then the methods used to hunt for fleets that may be getting around in the same region or a region away from you.

I believe there is much greater emphasis on the "hunt" when soloing then what there is when getting around in a fleet.

Also, be smart about what ship and fitting type you are getting around in. Don't always use cookie cutter fits, mix it up where necessary depending what type of target you are hunting.

For example, fitting out a Firetail to find fights with cruisers is very different to how you would fit out a Firetail to hunt Interceptors.

Don't listen to these fruit loops telling you "Solo PvP is dead" and "Eve is not a solo game." You just need to be smarter then the average fleet of lemmings getting around. This really isn't hard by the way. Think about it, you are already thinking about how the fight will start. what you will do during and how the fight will end. The fleet is just thinking about how to hit the approach button and press F1.
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#55 - 2014-04-04 23:43:07 UTC
Vladimir Norkoff wrote:
Tear Jar wrote:
[Industrials have lots of ways to combat this type of PvP(fitting differently, watching local, D-scan and hiring a bodyguard).
Bolded the best part. U so funny.

Stick to ganking miners.


It can work, but it will cut into the miners precious isk/hr.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#56 - 2014-04-04 23:53:14 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:

PvP in Eve starts when you are fitting your ship and undocking. Industrials have lots of ways to combat this type of PvP(fitting differently, watching local, D-scan and hiring a bodyguard). Just because they opt to not do any of these things and are helpless when the catalyst engages, doesn't mean its not PvP.

Its no different than combat ship v combat ship. There are tons of unwinnable fights because on guy fit the wrong modules.

Edit: To add, if you are looking for a 1v1 against an equal opponent, join a tournament. Roaming low sec is the wrong way to do it.


Actually it starts earlier, from the minerals (ices too) that made the ships which were bought (also) from me. I have won before you even get to fitting the ship. Twisted

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2014-04-05 00:07:34 UTC
Solo PVP is alive and well. Want proof? Fit a ship, undock it alone, go have some fun.

Got blobbed? So what? As long as you are alone, it's solo PVP. Challenging, rewarding, exhilarating.


Don't limit yourself to 1v1s - though you will find them if you know what to fly and where.

Don't define your success exclusively as 'holding the field' - in a 1v many, killing a few of 'em while going down in a ball of fire is a victory. Or killing one and managing to gtfo.

Don't obsess about killboard efficiency - solo PVP is risky business, even if you're good. You need to put decent equipment on the field, and you will lose it regularly (unless you run from any real challenge).


EVE isn't a 'fair and honourable duel simulator', going solo is a big challenge and that's exactly why it's awesome. So stop whining and embrace the long and painful path to PVP excellence!

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2014-04-05 00:19:17 UTC
You run into solo pvpers in losec all the time with their solo scout alt and solo tackle alt.
Machagon
Amamake Anarchist Community College
#59 - 2014-04-05 00:54:10 UTC
I spend a LOT of time flying solo (true solo) around FW space in a firetail. I never ask for duels. I primarily dscan people in novice/small plexes. When I find another solo frigate (or, sometime two), I go in for the kill.

Usually, they run. Sometimes I catch them. Sometimes they stay to fight intentionally. Sometimes, when that happens, they have friends.

Nonetheless, in the average hour of solo FW roaming, I will get two 1v1 fights and get blobbed once(and by blobbed, I just mean the guy has four friends to back him up).

As far as I'm concerned, that means solo PVP is alive and well. Pick your targets, pick your ships (if you mean solo Megathron, then, yes, it's dead), accept that you can be trapped and beaten by superior numbers.

Fly something with high DPS and get a feel for how to separate a single pilot from their fleet long enough to kill them.

It takes some practice, but I am a pretty terrible PVP pilot and I still manage to do it.
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#60 - 2014-04-05 02:35:17 UTC
Just don't go for the obvious solo hero ships and you will find all the solo pvp you can stomach.

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