Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Man this was a long very windy thread. I see no reason to stop people from staying in a corp they awoxed. I also see no reason to prevent awoxing. It is a fun activity in this game. If you can't get them after downtime then reform the corp. If they are spaming you chat make a channel and don't tell them. Awoxing is not Griefing. And that is a distinction that should be noted.

That being said. You others can fill it what you want after the previous sentience.

It sounds logical to me for a CEO to have control of player membership in a corporation. Granted that the player to be remove is given fair warning. (24 hours maybe)

I have no experience with corp management or the situation that the OP is in; so take my statement as you please, its just my outside opinion.

*Snip* Removed off topic part of the post. ISD Ezwal.

Anyone with common sense can see that the OPs case is not acceptable. Being forced to reform a corporation due to some griefer is just a bad mechanic. There are still plenty of legitimate ways to grief other players, although the griefers actually have to follow their own words and stop looking for easy brainless ways to grief and actually put in some effort and outsmart your opponents instead of merely exploiting broken mechanics.

If Kaarous still keeps up with this thread I would like to put forth the following for both his and the op's consideration:

http://community.eveonline.com/support/knowledge-base/article.aspx?articleId=336

The full quote for those who have trouble with links (mobile users)



The 2nd and 3rd paragraph is not applicable to this discussion (I feel) as it is plainly stated this is not about PREVENTING non consensual PvP (AWOXING) but rather the actions of the player AFTER this event. IN that light lets focus on the first paragraph.



So far this does describe the actions of this player. He does not profit from his actions in any way but rather only uses this as an opportunity to throw racial slurs at SPECIFIC players in a SPECIFIC corp (Targeted) without any end in sight for the effected players (Continuous) because of his peculiar ability to be able to log in before the OP is able to log in so far at a 100% success rate. The only things I know that has 100% success rate at things like this is robots (scripts/3rd apps for those that didn't get the metaphor)

This brings us to the next bit.


Consistently and maliciously. Yes that does fit the description rather well in this case.

Unfortunately for the OP there is that nagging clause 'At our discretion' but I think that if you present the case clearly to CCP they would have to act on this or risk going back on their OWN rules. And if something like that gets out (not that you are allowed to openly discuss GM correspondences, of course) then it could paint CCP in a very bad light, heavens forbid.


End of the day however I like the original Feature that was laid on the table for discussion. I believe that the TIMER in this case should be completely up to CCP as 24h really may be too short a window and I don't think that the idea of the OP was to demand a 24h timer specifically in the first place. I think that just so long as there is an end in sight for the affected players/corp then they would be happy, even if it was say, a week.

I mean a wardec has a week long timer and upkeep costs to presumably avoid this EXACT kind of harassment and griefing yes?

+1

There's a difference between emergent gameplay/using mechanics creatively and just being a ****.

That is my point: there is no guarantee. So why you even bothered to bring it up is a good question.

But then employment with a corp should not be guaranteed either.

The CEO should be able to kick any member it likes and, to protect against abuse, the actual time of kick will take place 24 hours after the CEO starts the kick process - kinda like a war dec.

I firmly believe CCP should not be in the business of making EVE 'safe' in any way. That's just nonsense. If you want safe, go do something else.

OTOH, it makes no sense, from an immersion perspective, that you could not get rid of a corp member just because he's in space at the time.

AWOXING is a proud EVE tradition and it definitely has its place in the panopticon of mayhem pilots can unleash on the too-comfortable-for-their-own-good. That doesn't mean they should get a free card either. AWOXING is an event with an expiration date. Once you jump the gun, the cat's out of the bag. You should then not have an expectation of being able to hang around indefinitely.

The AWOXER had a plan, he made his preparation and then he springs the trap. There's not a thing wrong with that. But after that the game is up, it's time to leave.

The usual mechanic should apply to someone being fired.

Besides which, that time will come, through happenstance or sheer boredom, that it will be possible to expel him.

As a CEO, you should have the power to fire someone, no matter where they are. That's not asking for safety, that's just common sense.

I fully agree with you. The suggestions here would not make the game safer in anyway, but would prevent continued griefing once the cat is out of the bag. With things like they are, kicking an AWOXER that will log on at the end of down time and cloak in space until they can hunt down a target is impossible. Also, if they get help from out side players, they NEVER have to dock up. There friends/alts can bring them ammo, ships if they lose theirs, and everything else they would ever need. You can even refit in space now. This is unreasonable.
So whether its a CEO power to warp to a member in space at 0, or a time delayed kick with a notice to the corp member, there needs to be something in the CEO's pocket that is not currently there.

It's not only possible, I've done it myself, and had it done to me 3-4 times in the last 6 months or so. It's why I've switched to "smash and grab" lately, more time effective since my job irl has ramped up since then.

And as for refitting in space, well, lol, I didn't ask for Mobile Depots, you can thank the mission runners for that. But they are very, very helpful. My personal favorite setup is a Gnosis, since you can get pretty beastly dps out of it with minimal skillpoint investment, and it has a respectable tank and a spare highslot for a neut. Then, once the initial fights are over, you can refit to a cloak once you get to your safe spot, then talk them into a ransom.

That said, if they actually are refitting in space, then you can probe out their safe spot in seconds with even halfway decent skills. This character can do it in about 25 seconds and he has 3s for pretty much all the probing skills.

I'd really be interested in a dev response… The most interesting point that's been brought-up is wormhole corporations, since they're always in space. Talk about mission impossible...