CSM Campaigns

It's pretty much a case by case thing. Sometimes a change will be... I don't want to say minor enough since that's not the right way to put it but perhaps "not so radical" that you can't find people's thoughts on it already out there. Other times it'll be far enough afield from existing mechanics that it's not something anyone's ever thought of, though and at that point... you can't very well go asking about it, people tend to treat "hypothetical ideas" coming from a CSM as well, less than hypothetical. In this kind of case (though that second one especially) the best we can do is go with our best guess, and better still, recommend something get out there as soon as possible to get input (not that that's something that shouldn't happen all the time anyway).

And sometimes the lack of expertise means we never realize its a problem at all.



Second question first - it certainly wouldn't hurt. One of the undeniable advantages of highsec is the ability to get a factory and refinery together, only to have (ironically enough) the capability rarely matter - you buy your minerals in Jita and then ship them. In nullsec, where your minerals are invariably coming to you in non-mineral form (whether that's compressed goods or raw ore from a miner), multiple stations per system would eliminate some of the effort (the risk of tons of trips in a freighter between systems) that renders most industry undesirable.

And while it'd be more of an EHP grind, that's only true now. CCP is on public record as wanting to get away from that kind of capture system Someday™ though.



Well, I'd hesitate to call it simpler but yes it would be a possibility. Not sure it's one I'd want to see though - personal income that gets people out in space actively doing things would be better and as I've opined elsewhere I don't think top down income is inherently bad in and of itself, just how it interacts with today's sov and capture and power projection mechanics.

Who's to say I don't have a character in BNI already?

Yeah pretty much. It's a refreshing change from my normal logging in activities, which these days primarily consist of changing skills and doing logistics in renter space.

May I present a counter argument that allows for the concept of ring mining to still live, that you appear to have not considered.
'Ring Mining' to stand for whatever active method of getting Moon Goo should be brought in to replace passive moon extraction.

That ring mining provide not just moon goo. If Moon Goo is the sole product of ring mining then obviously your maths is right. (Just for a note, based on averages from March 2012-March2013 incursions only provide sufficient income for 70 players to earn 100 millions isk/hr assuming they ran 24/7.)
However if Moon goo is a minor product along side another major product then Ring Mining can be worth it compared to other mining fairly easily. If we take the figure of 40 Mil/Hr for a decent Null sec miner with boosts, which last I looked was a fairly decent figure, much better than any high sec miner will turn. Then we only need to add another 26 Million of alternative products to bring it up to equivalent.

For an example. If we added in an event that happened across all area's of space, that created a bunch of grav anomalies in a constellation. These Anomalies would have ore appropriate to the region. And in addition they would yield moon goo as per your maths above with R64's being Null based & poor moon minerals being anywhere (Amount to be based on averages used per month vs how common these anomalies are). Now we have a mechanic that would always be worth a miners time to take part in, since it is a higher hourly income than they could turn by doing standard mining in their region. It may still not compete with Ratting/Missions, but given how poor mining in general is relative to Ratting & Missions, that's a very hard thing to do.

Sorry for derailing this off your CSM campaign though, just wanted to present alternative side thoughts to an idea you appear to be simply binning, as the current status quo obviously favours your coalition idea's to keep alive theories to change it in good ways seem worth while.

Fair enough, with that particular implementation I was suggesting I was building off your comment in your previous talk about moving moon goo to an incursion type mechanic. So the gating mechanic would be the fact that these sites weren't always available. I.E. for Null they would be in addition to the standard industrial index sites, not an 'always on' effect.

Agree that there does need to be some kind of supply limitation though to avoid T2 being almost as cheap as T1

Ah, misunderstood. Might not be enough even then though. Null mining sites respawn immediately after being mined out in full so if we suddenly went and made them randomly super valuable, you'd see mining blitzes to get as much as possible during the uptime. Could fix that, which opens up the question "If an eventual goal is reducing reliance in nullsec on imported minerals, will what you can get on limited-respawn sites be enough?" and from there "do we care if it's enough, maybe careful shepherding and harvesting of available supply ahead of time creates interesting scenarios" and so on and so forth. Not necessarily going to chase that rabbit hole just now, I've gotta get to sleep.



Man, so funny thing I was just playing with the numbers from last year's election and so have some statistics I culled from that handy to answer this!

I'd could say say "Well, approximately 6000 out of the 14,500 voters who listed me somewhere as a preference were not of my bloc, nor the opposing bloc with whom we traded votes, and of those 6000, 500 listed me first, 700 listed me second, 870 listed me third and another 630 listed me fourth. That means almost half of my non-bloc support thought pretty highly of me, and I hope they continue to support me this year.

Or instead, I could go "Well, if you download last year's ballot and delete my name from all the obvious bloc tickets I'd come up about 722 votes short and would be eliminated in the final round. That's a respectable showing in its own right that conveniently makes the laughable assumption that I wouldn't have done anything else different if I'd known I was running without the support of my bloc, such as simply campaigning harder or better yet networking in with the trebor bloc that cast literally half the votes in the election. Just three percent of those voters being convinced to list me as their first preference instead of who they had listed would cut it, not all that high a bar at all. Also happens to ignore the fact that bloc or not there's large of people doing what they please, often to support an "unofficial" bloc candidate (which I'd have been) from their own corp or alliance over the "designated" list, which is why out of 7500 or so CFC votes over 2000 of them favored one of the two 'unofficial' candidates in place of the three designees."

I suppose I could summarize that by saying "Sorry, anime loving person sheltering themselves behind what appears to be a charmingly anonymous and lightly used posting alt of indiscernible orgins, but my odds as an independent would have been damn good."

Oops. In my experience has been that someone asking that type of question tends to be coming from the "grr goon" camp, which tends to dictate the flavor of response I default to. Phrasing like "where people thoughtlessly pulled the slot by your name because their leadership told them to?" only reinforce the impression.

Hello.

Currently the Serpentis are the only pirate faction in the game that don't have a rated 6/10 and 9/10 DED complex available to be run. These sites have been on the "coming soon" list for quite a few years, but no further news or information has been released. Would you be willing to request that CCP introduce these sites to the game so that areas like syndicate that rely on running sites as the main form of income can continue to grow and prosper?

That's cheating.

Mynnna pointed me to this thread and I agree, we need to complete the DED work and it is on our backlog, we haven't forgotten about it I just can't give you a time frame right now.