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Does everything end up with fighting?
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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#61 - 2014-04-04 02:25:59 UTC
Seraphi Nephalis wrote:
I think part of the problem is that when you first start EVE there is an illusion of save PVE. It took me a LOT of reading and a LOT of questions to realize just how dangerous even HighSec can be. If a person jumped into EVE because they thought it was a really in-depth space sim, and didn't look past the surface, I can see how they'd be VERY surprised when the true nature of the game was fully realized.

In the case of the OP, it seem pretty clear to me that he'd been enjoying himself for some time, and was fortunate enough to get away with a fairly lackadaisical approach for far too long. He become emotionally invested in a certain playstyle. Then the rug got pulled out from under him. Or rather, the blinders removed from his eyes.

I think the saddest part is that he didn't actually suffer any losses. It was the IMAGINED losses and the threat of POSSIBLE attacks that had him the most bent out of shape. He wasn't even willing to consider that changing his view of the game might result in enjoyment.


One of the most interesting things is that during my own research of how the game works, I've discovered that there's all kinds of ways to make it hard for suicide gankers to get you. Even something as simple as using a mission room cleared of rats to mine in. Not to mention wormhole space, or joining a corp that has a pretty secure lock on a part of nullsec where you could do your thing in relative peace.

To each his own, I guess.


I do agree, if you look just at the tutorials...they are very very limited in teaching that EVE is a harsh place and that no place is safe.

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#62 - 2014-04-04 04:43:52 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Pravus Karal wrote:
Who or what is the New Order?

So even if i mind my own business and ant away, avoiding combat, someone will come by and shoot at me for it? WTF?


We are a highsec extortion racket.

blasphemy!

I should buy an Ishtar.
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#63 - 2014-04-04 08:03:59 UTC
Pravus Karal wrote:


I really have no interest in PvP, so what exactly is there for me to do if i don't want to stick to high sec space all the time?


Quit the game.

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#64 - 2014-04-04 09:52:18 UTC
OP, given your firm commitment to leave this game I wish to respectfully submit my application for receiving all your stuffz.

Of course, given that you are not actually a new character but rather a forum alt of a bitter highsec bear who was probably ganked a few days ago I doubt I will see a blinky contract any time soon. You know too much lingo. Try harder next time.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#65 - 2014-04-04 10:09:18 UTC
Pravus Karal wrote:
I really have no interest in PvP, so what exactly is there for me to do if i don't want to stick to high sec space all the time?


EVE at its core is a pure pvp "bash each other's heads in" game and you can adapt to that in several ways:

- wishing it away and not at all give it any thought. this is what most people do and when PVP knocks on their door they'll spaz out and blame everyone but themselves. Don't be that person
- embrace it and partake in it, this is the "ideal" reaction but since everyone plays differently and EVE being a sandbox it's fine to not choose to do this
- Acknowledge the fact that EVE is a nasty vile place and put in effort to minimise the risk involved by knowing your ****, being prepared and making powerful friends in high places. "If you want peace, prepare for war".

Option #3 is viable and doable, if you put in effort to learn the whys and hows of combat, wars, ganking etc then you effectively learned how to minimise the problem to a point where it simply won't be an issue.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#66 - 2014-04-04 11:02:39 UTC
I really doubt the OP still reads the forums.

He wasn't obviously the "right type" of gamer for the game and blamed the game on his leaving.
All I wonder, why did it take him 2 months to find that out.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#67 - 2014-04-04 11:08:25 UTC
Living in the rookie system(s) maybe?

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#68 - 2014-04-04 11:38:55 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
I really doubt the OP still reads the forums.

He wasn't obviously the "right type" of gamer for the game and blamed the game on his leaving.
All I wonder, why did it take him 2 months to find that out.


Perhaps, but other newbies might read this thread, so we'll stick to it :)
Balshem Rozenzweig
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2014-04-04 11:40:30 UTC
EVE is about blowing stuff up and dying. When you look at it this way you will realize the problem just isn't there, because you are not loosing something you shouldn't.

Replacing your ship is like a repair bill in WoW. It's not that big, but you have to, however, be careful as to not to see the losses accumulate into big sums.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#70 - 2014-04-04 11:48:31 UTC
Balshem Rozenzweig wrote:
Replacing your ship is like a repair bill in WoW. It's not that big, but you have to, however, be careful as to not to see the losses accumulate into big sums.

That's probably the best comparison I've read.

I can really relate: In WoW, I was a tank for a raiding guild, most of my downtime was spent earning gold to pay for repairs (and flasks, etc.), as my armor was completely trashed at the end of an evening of constantly being beaten upon.
Ro Fenrios
Armilies Corporation
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#71 - 2014-04-04 15:11:51 UTC
As someone who soon is approaching his fifth month in EVE, a newb in other words, I too was amazed, or shocked how brutally you get jumped by older players in supposingly safe high sec. We never got ganked, but rather wardecced and chased across the galaxy. No matter where we went, we were pursued and week went by with just running. It was perhaps furstrating, but during those weeks we became more determined and got sort of 'fighting mentality'. Sure, there was no hope in engaging punch of T3 ships with just T1 destroyers and cruisers, but we decided to make our offender really work for those kills.

We vowed never to become like the punch that chased us. We would not forward the ill made to us to next generation of newbs that would follow after us. Rather, we decided to do opposite. The wardecs, and other ill done to use shaped us. We were forced to adapt, run, hide and venture into places that were unthinkable for us before. Low sec for one. I myself began to like low sec, that no nonsense place, where you surely meet people that can obliterate you, but can also extend their hand and say "you ok, buddy?"

After time you begin to appriciate friends, people that are willing to pay their time for you, help you and if need be, even stand between you and someone meanie coming to get you. We made lot of friends in low sec, and by the time second wardec came to our still newb corporation, we did not even have to run anymore. We were right at home in border systems of 0.4-0.5 and our offenders coming to get us in their shiney ships did not ever venture beyond high sec, not even when we were taunting them at the gate, just one jump away.

While I would not go thanking the people who tried to harm us, I would say I would have never ventured into low and null and discovered how things are over there without being forced to leave. its a big leap for someone just months old, but not impossible. Learn and adapt, and soon you can do whatever you want.

And really. For all those mean people, there are also some really good guys around. You may not find them as easy as hostiles, but they are around and they are what make this game worth every minute - friends.

I too repeat what everyone else has repeated here already. EVE is PVP game and very brutal sort in that. This is the world you get when players can influence and control its events. We are human, after all.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#72 - 2014-04-04 15:43:32 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
I really doubt the OP still reads the forums.

He wasn't obviously the "right type" of gamer for the game and blamed the game on his leaving.
All I wonder, why did it take him 2 months to find that out.


Perhaps, but other newbies might read this thread, so we'll stick to it :)


Wait, are you suggesting that new players are using the search function / opening other threads?

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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#73 - 2014-04-04 17:33:10 UTC
Ro Fenrios wrote:

...
While I would not go thanking the people who tried to harm us, I would say I would have never ventured into low and null and discovered how things are over there without being forced to leave. its a big leap for someone just months old, but not impossible. Learn and adapt, and soon you can do whatever you want.
....

Reading that I envisioned that scene from 'Quest for fire', where the ape-men are shown by the slightly more advanced ape-men how to start a fire...

Now, let me offer you a piece of flint and tinder.

F

Would you like to know more?
Robby Altair
#74 - 2014-04-04 18:01:19 UTC
"Does everything end up with fighting?"

Yes.

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Seraphi Nephalis
Seraphi Nephalis Corporation
#75 - 2014-04-07 19:27:11 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:


Now, let me offer you a piece of flint and tinder.

F


I'm glad you posted this. Now I know what to watch out for when running missions.


"What a sad world we live in, where politeness is mistaken for weakness."  - Usagi Yojimbo
Mass Doe
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2014-04-11 04:34:30 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Pravus Karal wrote:

Why am i still here? I guess out of sheer amazement of how low people can sink when there is nobody there to govern them.
As a social experiment, EVE sure makes the worst in people come through.


Chess brings out worse. When I play chess, I go around murdering priests, slaughtering pawns and committing regicide.


Rereading this entire thread and seeing the language used in the posts, I'm now 90% convinced that the OP isn't a new player but is in fact a newly-created alt of an established player either trolling or pushing an undisclosed agenda. There's too much EVE knowledge in there for the OP to be a few hours into the game.

Well played, OP. Good fight, you got me. I believed you.



Edit: If I'm wrong, I apologize.




Yes i agree. There has to be an end goal in making isk. Like in the real world making money. In this game it is about carrying out a great human experiment of life in an Anarcho-Capitalist system. So you would have to be pretty strange to use it as a glorified screen saver. So yea i saw troll on this one from the beginning of the second page.

So whats the point?
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2014-04-14 17:53:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Shinhwa
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[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Earthan
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2014-04-14 18:55:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Earthan
Pravus Karal wrote:
So iv'e been playing for about 2 months now. Making my share of ISK and building ships.
I have been pondering about what to do more focused. Mining, exploring, trading, etc.
Yet everything somehow seems to end with fighting.

If you want to go mine more interesting things, you get attacked.
If you go exploring, you get attacked.
If you run cargo or trade, you get attacked.

I really have no interest in PvP, so what exactly is there for me to do if i don't want to stick to high sec space all the time?



Well i heard all about high sec dangers, but imho if you are not flying mutli bilions ships, or transporting such worth, you are pretty safe in high sec.There are alwys missions you can run/

Most gankers earn teir isk that way , if it doesnt pay for them to suicide a fair number of ships , they wont do it.

Alternatively there arte whole mining/PVE corps that should give you all the safety you need.

Im a pvp /0.0 pilot all my life, so i guess my view is different, but really in my 10 years fo playing eve i maybe got killed 5 times when i wasnt really with full premeditation risking it. All other times (much more lol) it was with full consiousness " Ok it might be risky but i want to do it".


Its your choice if you play or leave, but dont be intimidated by all the griefers (tough i got nothing againt them , each of us can play how he likes, as long asit is within game rules.)

I owuld play my way and not worry to much about it , learn a few basic safety rules, and enjoy Eve your way:)
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#79 - 2014-04-14 21:44:41 UTC
Sorry to see you go, OP. The risk of getting blown up at any time is actually part of what makes EvE fun. The whole game is not direct pvp, certainly, but pvp is a big part of the EvE world and drives the game, actually. For instance; someone buys the minerals you mine to build ships. Ships are in demand because they get blown up...in the various forms of pvp. Circle of EvE life and all. So ultimately pvp in general is, maybe seemingly oddly, not really something to hate. There are many things to do in EvE, though, besides direct fighting, if that's not your thing. Just have to accept you're never going to be 100% "safe" usually. Stick around and give EvE a...shot. You might like it and be glad you didn't quit right away. Whatever your decision, I hope you find enjoyment in whatever games you play. o7

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Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#80 - 2014-04-14 23:26:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Capt Starfox
Pravus Karal wrote:

Thank you for ruining something that kept me one more step from actively stabbing someone with a pen to the throat out of frustration IRL.


Sir, if you see this before you quit the game, please seek professional help. A video game should not be the buffer between you and violently harming someone in real life; in fact, you should not have the desire to harm someone in real life to help ease some of your frustration at all.

It is good that you will not play this game. I would hate to see what you would do to yourself, or worse, someone else when you lost your first ship.

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet