Ships & Modules

Aloha,

I made a spreadsheet in order to compare the 4 ships:
Legion, Tengu, Proteus and Loki

Main difference is as shown (in above order)

Structure hitpoints
1954 1661 1856 1611 HP

Inertia
.14 x .31 x .44 x .35 x

Mass
6.815.000 kg 8.201.000 kg 5.341.000 kg 6.540.000 kg

Volume
118000 m3 92000 m3 115000 m3 80000 m3

I assume the difference is in how you build it, but from the basis, which is best if any?

Ok let me rephrase my question:
Mostly when I hear about T3 ships, Tengu is the one mentioned in chats for example. I have never heard Legion being mentioned.

So I figured that, that might have 'an upperhand' somehow and was curious, so wanted to compare them. Which leaves me still wondering, why it is mostly Tengu you hear about.

Thoughts?

Tengu is excellent for PVE and also 100mn missile PVP (although HML's aren't as good as they used to be)

Loki Needs a LOT of cash spent on it to make it good, most of the time i feel like it's under-powered comapred to other T3's. It's ability to brick+Sig tank it's armor and web things in fleets with RR on field is the only reason i'd take it over another T3.

Legion makes an excellent active tanking HAM boat, i've never seen it used with lasers.

Proteus is the most viable solo-cloaky ganker due to it's damage. It also has terrifying EHP Tank with relatively low sig - It can reach in excess of 2 Battleships worth of EHP with 1/4 of the sig radius.

IMO, Proteus is best if you want a combat ship that doesn't need a fleet to be effective and does well under Neut pressure at the same time.

Proteus is the only t3 without any missile subsystem, however loki with missiles is ... well "not efficient" ;)
HAM legion is a good ship in pvp, especially solo, of course you can fit "any weapon into any t3" but it wouldn't end in the results you want, probably in your own destruction

You should take a deeper look in how t3 works ( subsystembonus etc), with your current questions about the t3 ships i'd recommend to start with something else instead (HACs/BC) and get a better understanding of the mechanics.

How fast do those 100mn AB tengus go? I've never bothered to test it. I'd imagine the align time would be horrid with it turned on.

Also, legion makes a pretty good solo cloaking ninja 0.0 ratter that doesn't use ammo. Doesn't kill anything in record time, but has enough dps/tank to do the job.

Those are just the hulls themselves. You'll need one of each subsystemslots filled, and the appropriate subsystem themself will contribute to certain attributes. For example, defensive subsystems impact shield/armor-hp, sometimes powergrid, slot-layout, mass, signatureradius and others. Offensive ones will mainly affect PG/CPU, slot-layout again but also other traits, for example - the offensive one even affects cargohold. In addition, they all provide *per level*-boni similiar to a myrmidon's drone-stats- and armor-repair-bonus.

The resulting *configurations* for each T3 are extremely diverse in both scope of tasks aswell as powerlevel, leading to a status quo with usually less than a handful of viable configs for each task, and that even spread amongst all four competing ones. Like, for a cloaky scout with probes and dps you can take a proteus, but not a legion - likewise you can bring a tengu doing it, but using a loki for the same job is just a poor choice regarding shieldfits.
Reasoning for that is the legion's basically broken covert subsystem, and the loki suffering from fitting issues in general, and from projectiles not really being impressive weapon systems without massive Subsystem- or hull-boni in special. (remember the double damage bonus for 6 guns called *mediocre* dps-wise)

So asking for a certain *best* regarding a task, then surely there is one.
If you want PvE, it's a tengu outside of amarr territory and the legion inside that region.
If you want dps at 0m, you want either a proteus for armor- or a tengu for shieldfleets
If you want dps at 0m and expect each and every ship to be neuted into oblivion, you want a legion or a tengu.
If you need dps at 20km, you again want a proteus or a tengu.
If you want dps at 50-100km, you can get a proteus or a tengu, though beamlegions work aswell.

In any case, if you shieldfit it, you'll want a tengu. Lokis are hard to suggest or even rate, they mainly web things and got the dps-output of an armorcane, or they mainly web things and pretend to be a pimped armormuninn.

Comfortably over 1600 with only a Zor's - Start adding faction AB's/Links/snakes and it gets even faster.

The align time isn't great but that doesn't matter - You can do solid speed while webbed, aren't scrammable and your sig is small. All in all a decent boat.